1 00:01:22,690 --> 00:00:39,290 [Music] 2 00:01:28,870 --> 00:01:25,570 and good evening from Philadelphia Frank 3 00:01:32,410 --> 00:01:28,880 here with another episode of UFO news 4 00:01:33,850 --> 00:01:32,420 network Sunday tonight on a Monday night 5 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:33,860 yeah it's Monday night that's right it's 6 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:36,530 Monday night and we are ready to go kind 7 00:01:41,109 --> 00:01:38,810 of an unusual show tonight I don't have 8 00:01:42,279 --> 00:01:41,119 we don't have a guest which is kind of 9 00:01:43,779 --> 00:01:42,289 unusual but though we've got a little 10 00:01:45,190 --> 00:01:43,789 bit of a presentation for you about 11 00:01:48,070 --> 00:01:45,200 what's been going on the last couple 12 00:01:52,090 --> 00:01:48,080 weeks and let me get everything started 13 00:01:55,149 --> 00:01:52,100 here with my co-host as always dant 14 00:01:57,550 --> 00:01:55,159 Hannah dant how are you I'm doing really 15 00:01:59,770 --> 00:01:57,560 well thank you so much for asking um how 16 00:02:01,389 --> 00:01:59,780 are you doing Frank doing good doing 17 00:02:02,559 --> 00:02:01,399 good we're ready to get started of 18 00:02:05,350 --> 00:02:02,569 course so we've got some more 19 00:02:07,749 --> 00:02:05,360 information on these very exciting 20 00:02:10,150 --> 00:02:07,759 Admiral Wilson documents that has 21 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:10,160 everybody believing that they are 22 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:12,410 legitimate and not disinformation well 23 00:02:16,780 --> 00:02:14,090 everybody but us of course we've been 24 00:02:18,850 --> 00:02:16,790 digging in and basically yeah what we're 25 00:02:21,070 --> 00:02:18,860 going to try to do is for some folks 26 00:02:22,300 --> 00:02:21,080 playing a little bit of catch-up we're 27 00:02:25,539 --> 00:02:22,310 gonna go in a little bit of 28 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:25,549 chronological order here and go back to 29 00:02:32,140 --> 00:02:29,090 an interview that chantin and I had with 30 00:02:34,210 --> 00:02:32,150 Michael Hall who is the lawyer for Grant 31 00:02:36,460 --> 00:02:34,220 Cameron who had hold of these documents 32 00:02:39,610 --> 00:02:36,470 and what we're gonna do is we're gonna 33 00:02:42,490 --> 00:02:39,620 play a little video from that and let's 34 00:02:45,430 --> 00:02:42,500 go back in time to March 26 it was a 35 00:02:47,620 --> 00:02:45,440 three months ago I guess what Wednesday 36 00:02:49,479 --> 00:02:47,630 three months ago Wednesday when we 37 00:02:52,030 --> 00:02:49,489 talked to Michael hall and what I did at 38 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:52,040 that point in time is I had a little bit 39 00:02:55,780 --> 00:02:53,450 of a presentation a little bit of a 40 00:02:57,550 --> 00:02:55,790 warning for him to give him a heads up 41 00:03:00,039 --> 00:02:57,560 in terms of what to look out for in 42 00:03:01,509 --> 00:03:00,049 terms of disinformation and this is 43 00:03:04,060 --> 00:03:01,519 gonna run about I think about eight 44 00:03:06,009 --> 00:03:04,070 minutes or so so chant you and I all 45 00:03:07,300 --> 00:03:06,019 have to be quiet on our end but I want 46 00:03:09,039 --> 00:03:07,310 the folks to hear at home that that 47 00:03:10,599 --> 00:03:09,049 particular interview did not get quite 48 00:03:12,550 --> 00:03:10,609 as many views as our second interview 49 00:03:15,789 --> 00:03:12,560 with Michael so he may not have heard it 50 00:03:17,979 --> 00:03:15,799 and may not have heard my warning or 51 00:03:19,690 --> 00:03:17,989 both grant and Michael regarding these 52 00:03:23,190 --> 00:03:19,700 documents end up putting too much stock 53 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:23,200 in them so let's go to that now people 54 00:03:38,589 --> 00:03:35,810 okay it could be true it probably is 55 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:38,599 okay so yeah when I first got involved 56 00:03:44,410 --> 00:03:39,650 in all this 57 00:03:47,589 --> 00:03:44,420 the majestic 12 documents were a pretty 58 00:03:50,290 --> 00:03:47,599 good research tool for me and led me to 59 00:03:52,900 --> 00:03:50,300 look at things like the documentation on 60 00:03:55,479 --> 00:03:52,910 the Truman at the Truman library and it 61 00:03:59,050 --> 00:03:55,489 was very helpful to me but by the same 62 00:04:01,839 --> 00:03:59,060 token I don't believe that they are in 63 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:01,849 fact true now I've got one of the one of 64 00:04:07,210 --> 00:04:04,250 the more famous majestic 12 documents up 65 00:04:09,550 --> 00:04:07,220 here now folks can look at it I would 66 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:09,560 say that these documents are to a large 67 00:04:14,259 --> 00:04:12,410 extent pretty well researched I believe 68 00:04:15,970 --> 00:04:14,269 it's been pretty well established by 69 00:04:20,129 --> 00:04:15,980 maybe some of the more skeptical 70 00:04:22,690 --> 00:04:20,139 researchers that these documents are not 71 00:04:25,780 --> 00:04:22,700 legitimate that they were put together 72 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:25,790 by a fuzzy the Air Force Office of 73 00:04:31,090 --> 00:04:28,610 Special Investigations which has in fact 74 00:04:33,700 --> 00:04:31,100 over the years let a number of UFO 75 00:04:36,850 --> 00:04:33,710 researchers astray with this this type 76 00:04:38,379 --> 00:04:36,860 of bogus information but this is one of 77 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:38,389 the more famous documents we've got up 78 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:41,570 now with a little bit of additional 79 00:04:46,390 --> 00:04:43,250 information kind of photoshopped that 80 00:04:48,870 --> 00:04:46,400 towards the bottom but this document 81 00:04:52,810 --> 00:04:48,880 here that I've got up is basically 82 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:52,820 Truman's ordering that the the majestic 83 00:04:59,020 --> 00:04:56,690 12 operation begins and it's started 84 00:05:03,279 --> 00:04:59,030 with James Forrestal and Vannevar Bush 85 00:05:06,700 --> 00:05:03,289 on a date September 24th 1947 a quick 86 00:05:08,740 --> 00:05:06,710 perusal of the president's calendar at 87 00:05:11,740 --> 00:05:08,750 the Truman website reveals that in fact 88 00:05:14,580 --> 00:05:11,750 he did meet on that particular day with 89 00:05:16,810 --> 00:05:14,590 a James Forrestal in Vannevar bush in 90 00:05:18,670 --> 00:05:16,820 probably the Oval Office he met with him 91 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:18,680 somewhere in the White House but he did 92 00:05:22,900 --> 00:05:20,810 meet with those two gentlemen and I 93 00:05:25,060 --> 00:05:22,910 certainly don't think that proves that 94 00:05:27,219 --> 00:05:25,070 this is a legitimate document but what 95 00:05:29,260 --> 00:05:27,229 it proves is it was a fairly well 96 00:05:31,180 --> 00:05:29,270 researched document I don't think 97 00:05:32,740 --> 00:05:31,190 there's any question about that they 98 00:05:34,570 --> 00:05:32,750 they put some time and they put some 99 00:05:37,719 --> 00:05:34,580 effort and when the original majestic 12 100 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:37,729 documents were released on a piece of 101 00:05:43,210 --> 00:05:41,090 microphone microfilm sent to a film 102 00:05:46,089 --> 00:05:43,220 producer by the name of J&J Miche and 103 00:05:48,010 --> 00:05:46,099 array this was back in the 1980s so this 104 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:48,020 predates the 105 00:05:52,119 --> 00:05:49,849 Internet obviously and the Truman 106 00:05:54,189 --> 00:05:52,129 library online archives so whoever 107 00:05:56,230 --> 00:05:54,199 picked up this information and tied this 108 00:05:58,300 --> 00:05:56,240 particular date and these particular 109 00:06:00,249 --> 00:05:58,310 individuals Vannevar Bush and then 110 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:00,259 Secretary of Defense James Forrestal 111 00:06:04,330 --> 00:06:02,930 through this meeting did some research 112 00:06:07,089 --> 00:06:04,340 they did one of two things 113 00:06:09,879 --> 00:06:07,099 they either almost certainly either went 114 00:06:12,189 --> 00:06:09,889 to the Truman library directly and went 115 00:06:13,719 --> 00:06:12,199 through the archives and looked at the 116 00:06:15,369 --> 00:06:13,729 president's calendar and said oh my 117 00:06:16,930 --> 00:06:15,379 goodness this looks like an interesting 118 00:06:20,439 --> 00:06:16,940 date to tie this particular bogus 119 00:06:22,990 --> 00:06:20,449 document to or they hired a researcher 120 00:06:24,820 --> 00:06:23,000 for hire who went to the Truman library 121 00:06:26,890 --> 00:06:24,830 that sort of thing is available you 122 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:26,900 could hire a local researcher we'll go 123 00:06:30,790 --> 00:06:29,330 to the Truman library and give them some 124 00:06:32,740 --> 00:06:30,800 information like I want everything on 125 00:06:34,719 --> 00:06:32,750 James Forrestal and they'll dig that up 126 00:06:36,550 --> 00:06:34,729 for you and get it back to you so one of 127 00:06:39,370 --> 00:06:36,560 those two things did happen certainly 128 00:06:44,740 --> 00:06:39,380 the Air Force does in fact have the 129 00:06:47,170 --> 00:06:44,750 resources to get a an intelligence 130 00:06:48,879 --> 00:06:47,180 officer to the Truman library and go in 131 00:06:50,260 --> 00:06:48,889 there and dig some stuff up but it might 132 00:06:52,089 --> 00:06:50,270 have been done the other way but either 133 00:06:53,350 --> 00:06:52,099 our that's what I think what happened 134 00:06:55,059 --> 00:06:53,360 there but this is the type of thing that 135 00:06:56,559 --> 00:06:55,069 you're often looking at with some of 136 00:06:59,589 --> 00:06:56,569 these bogus documents where they do 137 00:07:01,870 --> 00:06:59,599 actually tied the bogus do something 138 00:07:04,089 --> 00:07:01,880 that absolutely did in fact happen so 139 00:07:06,820 --> 00:07:04,099 that's that document another interesting 140 00:07:09,629 --> 00:07:06,830 document in the Majestic twelve archives 141 00:07:12,370 --> 00:07:09,639 and unfortunately that is not available 142 00:07:13,899 --> 00:07:12,380 very early on there was a website that 143 00:07:15,879 --> 00:07:13,909 had all of them in there and they were 144 00:07:18,370 --> 00:07:15,889 on PDFs and you could download them that 145 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:18,380 website unfortunately no longer exists 146 00:07:23,140 --> 00:07:20,930 but it did at one point and I was able 147 00:07:24,939 --> 00:07:23,150 to grab a few of the PDFs this is 148 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:24,949 another majestic 12 document that I 149 00:07:33,249 --> 00:07:28,330 think is especially interesting approved 150 00:07:37,209 --> 00:07:33,259 by Harry Truman goes into needs to know 151 00:07:39,309 --> 00:07:37,219 and what was discovered from the Roswell 152 00:07:40,899 --> 00:07:39,319 crash and so on and so forth again I 153 00:07:46,959 --> 00:07:40,909 note the date towards the top of the 154 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:46,969 page 19 September 1947 and on page 14 of 155 00:07:52,629 --> 00:07:49,130 that particular document a number of 156 00:07:54,459 --> 00:07:52,639 organizations have let's see based on 157 00:07:56,320 --> 00:07:54,469 all available evidence collected from 158 00:07:58,300 --> 00:07:56,330 recovered exhibits currently under study 159 00:08:00,330 --> 00:07:58,310 and goes on to list a number of 160 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:00,340 organizations at NACA we 161 00:08:03,660 --> 00:08:02,530 was the precursor to NASA another one 162 00:08:06,690 --> 00:08:03,670 that's listed which i think is 163 00:08:10,500 --> 00:08:06,700 particularly interesting the in the 164 00:08:13,710 --> 00:08:10,510 second spot after the NACA is Rand which 165 00:08:16,860 --> 00:08:13,720 is short for RAND Corporation the red 166 00:08:20,430 --> 00:08:16,870 flag here is again let's go back to that 167 00:08:22,860 --> 00:08:20,440 original date September 19th 1947 and 168 00:08:24,300 --> 00:08:22,870 Rand of course referring to the RAND 169 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:24,310 Corporation which has had some 170 00:08:29,970 --> 00:08:26,650 involvement with UFOs over the years the 171 00:08:32,700 --> 00:08:29,980 RAND Corporation was not founded until 172 00:08:36,150 --> 00:08:32,710 the following year the the middle part 173 00:08:38,070 --> 00:08:36,160 of 1948 so that is a strong indicator 174 00:08:43,110 --> 00:08:38,080 that that particular document is again 175 00:08:45,690 --> 00:08:43,120 bogus and also here we've got Michael 176 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:45,700 and mentioned Steven Greer and his most 177 00:08:49,590 --> 00:08:47,290 recent film was a film called 178 00:08:51,830 --> 00:08:49,600 unacknowledged where one of his major 179 00:08:54,750 --> 00:08:51,840 hooks in terms of getting the film 180 00:08:57,690 --> 00:08:54,760 promoted and sold was a purported 181 00:09:00,360 --> 00:08:57,700 document tying the death of Marilyn 182 00:09:01,740 --> 00:09:00,370 Monroe to her knowledge about UFOs and 183 00:09:04,770 --> 00:09:01,750 in fact she was murdered because she 184 00:09:07,230 --> 00:09:04,780 knew too much about UFOs this document 185 00:09:09,780 --> 00:09:07,240 is also bogus I got that from Paul Dean 186 00:09:12,180 --> 00:09:09,790 directly we discussed that and I'm very 187 00:09:13,020 --> 00:09:12,190 confident in his expertise on this 188 00:09:16,170 --> 00:09:13,030 particular matter 189 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:16,180 and also there is the serpo material 190 00:09:20,610 --> 00:09:18,730 which is floated around and let me let 191 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:20,620 me jump ahead here because I'm gonna get 192 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:23,170 to another piece it's over in the serpro 193 00:09:28,410 --> 00:09:26,170 material acerbo org is a website that 194 00:09:31,260 --> 00:09:28,420 still exists and you can go to its urban 195 00:09:34,260 --> 00:09:31,270 org we'd all the serpo material there 196 00:09:36,060 --> 00:09:34,270 very entertaining I enjoy reading this 197 00:09:38,190 --> 00:09:36,070 stuff I think I read through just about 198 00:09:41,100 --> 00:09:38,200 all of it way back in the day haven't 199 00:09:42,690 --> 00:09:41,110 looked at it for a while but one of the 200 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:42,700 things that's outlined in the serpro 201 00:09:48,450 --> 00:09:45,490 material relates to a direct contact 202 00:09:49,740 --> 00:09:48,460 between extraterrestrials the eben says 203 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:49,750 they were referred to in the serpo 204 00:09:56,460 --> 00:09:52,810 material and the United States Air Force 205 00:09:59,700 --> 00:09:56,470 and what they do here is discuss a 206 00:10:03,360 --> 00:09:59,710 landing they the Air Force had received 207 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:03,370 messages from the eben in December of 63 208 00:10:09,330 --> 00:10:05,770 that the following year they'd make some 209 00:10:11,130 --> 00:10:09,340 kind of direct contact and it mentions a 210 00:10:13,140 --> 00:10:11,140 couple paragraphs below and I'll read 211 00:10:14,820 --> 00:10:13,150 this verbatim the first eben craft 212 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:14,830 entered our atmosphere during the 213 00:10:20,730 --> 00:10:18,370 afternoon of April 24th 1964 the eben 214 00:10:23,610 --> 00:10:20,740 craft landed at the wrong location near 215 00:10:26,130 --> 00:10:23,620 Socorro New Mexico again this is 216 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:26,140 attempting to tie this material to a 217 00:10:31,290 --> 00:10:28,090 known incident and what happened on 218 00:10:33,990 --> 00:10:31,300 April 24th 1964 near Socorro New Mexico 219 00:10:35,700 --> 00:10:34,000 was of course the Lonnie Zamora case and 220 00:10:37,980 --> 00:10:35,710 think when you like about that 221 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:37,990 particular case I don't know anybody who 222 00:10:43,770 --> 00:10:40,810 is seriously putting forth that mr. 223 00:10:46,350 --> 00:10:43,780 Zamora saw a UFO in fact I'm of the 224 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:46,360 opinion that what he witnessed was a 225 00:10:51,780 --> 00:10:49,330 balloon launched by some local college 226 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:51,790 students from the New Mexico Institute 227 00:10:57,060 --> 00:10:54,730 of mining and technology so again this 228 00:10:58,320 --> 00:10:57,070 is kind of a fuzzy trick this is 229 00:11:01,800 --> 00:10:58,330 something that they do on a regular 230 00:11:05,220 --> 00:11:01,810 basis trying to tie made up facts within 231 00:11:07,980 --> 00:11:05,230 their their their fantasy writings to 232 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:07,990 real events that we know did happen and 233 00:11:13,230 --> 00:11:10,810 finally and this is the one where I I do 234 00:11:15,570 --> 00:11:13,240 express some legitimate concern to both 235 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:15,580 Michael and grant before putting too 236 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:17,530 much stock in this material of course I 237 00:11:22,050 --> 00:11:20,410 wish them the best I hope they they come 238 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:22,060 a cropper with this and they hit the 239 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:24,250 jackpot but this is another document 240 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:27,130 that is in the serpo material released 241 00:11:32,370 --> 00:11:30,370 27a and this is a transcript a lengthy 242 00:11:35,310 --> 00:11:32,380 transcript Stav an alleged meeting 243 00:11:38,700 --> 00:11:35,320 between the then president ronald reagan 244 00:11:41,490 --> 00:11:38,710 and an individual who apparently is 245 00:11:44,820 --> 00:11:41,500 referred to in the conversation as the 246 00:11:47,130 --> 00:11:44,830 caretaker but basically he is the person 247 00:11:49,410 --> 00:11:47,140 who keeps all the UFO secrets and he is 248 00:11:52,230 --> 00:11:49,420 briefing Ronald Reagan about all this 249 00:11:54,060 --> 00:11:52,240 and again it's released 27a you can go 250 00:11:55,890 --> 00:11:54,070 ahead and you can read all through it 251 00:11:58,980 --> 00:11:55,900 and like I say I think it's a very 252 00:12:01,140 --> 00:11:58,990 entertaining fiction but this this 253 00:12:02,970 --> 00:12:01,150 briefing never did take place I did take 254 00:12:04,680 --> 00:12:02,980 a look at Reagan's schedule and on the 255 00:12:07,890 --> 00:12:04,690 date let's see the recording was made 256 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:07,900 March 6th and 8th 1981 and in fact I did 257 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:09,490 look at Reagan's schedule he was at Camp 258 00:12:13,410 --> 00:12:11,290 David at that particular point again a 259 00:12:17,460 --> 00:12:13,420 good bit of research was done on it but 260 00:12:19,260 --> 00:12:17,470 so this briefing is tied to a definitive 261 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:19,270 event he was at Camp David on those 262 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:21,290 dates but again if you read the 263 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:25,850 I think it's up obviously yeah it was 264 00:12:30,190 --> 00:12:28,610 written at least to my eyes the way I 265 00:12:32,740 --> 00:12:30,200 read it it was something it was written 266 00:12:33,730 --> 00:12:32,750 as compared to a transcript of an actual 267 00:12:36,220 --> 00:12:33,740 conversation 268 00:12:38,350 --> 00:12:36,230 it just doesn't read like any kind of 269 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:38,360 conversation that any normal person 270 00:12:42,790 --> 00:12:40,250 would have and that would include 271 00:12:45,130 --> 00:12:42,800 President Ronald Reagan and William 272 00:12:46,870 --> 00:12:45,140 Casey and Michael Deaver and some of the 273 00:12:49,210 --> 00:12:46,880 under other individuals who are 274 00:12:51,390 --> 00:12:49,220 purportedly at this meeting so there you 275 00:12:53,680 --> 00:12:51,400 go I'm off my soapbox now Michael and 276 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:53,690 take it away what do you think about all 277 00:12:58,060 --> 00:12:55,850 that I'm highly skeptical of this 278 00:12:59,230 --> 00:12:58,070 document the grant says he's got well 279 00:13:01,870 --> 00:12:59,240 I'm sure he's got it but I'm highly 280 00:13:04,450 --> 00:13:01,880 skeptical of the document yeah yeah well 281 00:13:06,550 --> 00:13:04,460 you know Frank this is why I called you 282 00:13:15,580 --> 00:13:06,560 enchant the Bonnie and Clyde of 283 00:13:17,380 --> 00:13:15,590 paranormal radio this material in almost 284 00:13:18,730 --> 00:13:17,390 10 years now it's a bit a long time 285 00:13:20,380 --> 00:13:18,740 since I dug through this stuff so I 286 00:13:26,620 --> 00:13:20,390 really had to refresh my memory let me 287 00:13:28,690 --> 00:13:26,630 tell you okay and that is that that what 288 00:13:30,850 --> 00:13:28,700 we warned Michael and grant about and of 289 00:13:34,390 --> 00:13:30,860 course what we saw when that doc was 290 00:13:36,100 --> 00:13:34,400 released was a lot of those plot devices 291 00:13:39,730 --> 00:13:36,110 a lot of those little tricks of the 292 00:13:42,730 --> 00:13:39,740 trade that that has been used in terms 293 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:42,740 of developing a misinformation and what 294 00:13:47,710 --> 00:13:45,530 we want to do is really get into it I 295 00:13:50,470 --> 00:13:47,720 can tell you the smoking gun if you want 296 00:13:54,070 --> 00:13:50,480 to use that term the smoking gun for me 297 00:13:57,210 --> 00:13:54,080 was of course when I saw that in the 298 00:14:00,520 --> 00:13:57,220 letter or in the notes that that 299 00:14:06,100 --> 00:14:00,530 commander will Miller asked regarding a 300 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:06,110 series of different different questions 301 00:14:12,780 --> 00:14:08,930 that he had for this Aggie keeper group 302 00:14:16,270 --> 00:14:12,790 this watch committee that supposedly was 303 00:14:21,210 --> 00:14:16,280 informing Admiral Wilson and let's see 304 00:14:24,790 --> 00:14:21,220 if I have that I want to order here 305 00:14:26,050 --> 00:14:24,800 let's see I don't have that here so 306 00:14:28,780 --> 00:14:26,060 let's say we're getting ahead of 307 00:14:31,780 --> 00:14:28,790 ourselves but basically it's listed that 308 00:14:33,170 --> 00:14:31,790 will excuse me that Miller asked about 309 00:14:37,220 --> 00:14:33,180 the 310 00:14:39,889 --> 00:14:37,230 roswell case Rendlesham case a couple 311 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:39,899 other cases but also about the Holloman 312 00:14:44,900 --> 00:14:41,970 case which is the Holloman Air Force 313 00:14:47,030 --> 00:14:44,910 Base case where supposedly et had a meet 314 00:14:49,460 --> 00:14:47,040 up with the Air Force and the Socorro 315 00:14:51,230 --> 00:14:49,470 case because in the serpro material as 316 00:14:55,129 --> 00:14:51,240 you saw if you watch the earlier video 317 00:14:56,480 --> 00:14:55,139 that that the meet up supposedly 318 00:14:59,210 --> 00:14:56,490 happened on the day of the Lonnie Zamora 319 00:15:02,230 --> 00:14:59,220 sighting and again that was the real red 320 00:15:05,269 --> 00:15:02,240 flag and as soon as I saw that I said 321 00:15:07,460 --> 00:15:05,279 I'm convinced that this is a likely 322 00:15:09,249 --> 00:15:07,470 disinformation and I was definitely 323 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:09,259 going to follow up with it from there I 324 00:15:14,210 --> 00:15:11,730 contacted commander Miller I was able to 325 00:15:18,079 --> 00:15:14,220 get hold of his contact information and 326 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:18,089 spoke with him on the following Monday 327 00:15:23,179 --> 00:15:21,930 after this document came out and asked 328 00:15:24,470 --> 00:15:23,189 him two questions I didn't have a whole 329 00:15:26,749 --> 00:15:24,480 lot of time because I had to leave the 330 00:15:27,980 --> 00:15:26,759 house but the two questions I had for 331 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:27,990 him were basically did he remember 332 00:15:32,739 --> 00:15:30,930 writing the letter to Aaron Davis and he 333 00:15:36,799 --> 00:15:32,749 said he wasn't sure he didn't know and 334 00:15:38,389 --> 00:15:36,809 obviously that's to be expected but one 335 00:15:40,340 --> 00:15:38,399 thing that somebody remembers I mean if 336 00:15:42,350 --> 00:15:40,350 you're into UFOs and nobody questions 337 00:15:43,759 --> 00:15:42,360 that the commander Miller is interested 338 00:15:45,889 --> 00:15:43,769 in UFOs he thinks there's really 339 00:15:48,079 --> 00:15:45,899 something through the subject and that 340 00:15:49,549 --> 00:15:48,089 the one thing that you remember is what 341 00:15:51,499 --> 00:15:49,559 are your favorite cases what are that 342 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:51,509 what are the top cases in your mind the 343 00:15:57,679 --> 00:15:55,170 same way a normal person a non UFO buff 344 00:16:00,079 --> 00:15:57,689 might always remember their their 345 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:00,089 favorite movie or their their favorite 346 00:16:06,199 --> 00:16:04,290 musicians or their favorite you know 347 00:16:08,509 --> 00:16:06,209 sport teams or whatever they're gonna 348 00:16:10,699 --> 00:16:08,519 remember that and when commander Miller 349 00:16:14,989 --> 00:16:10,709 asked me what's the Socorro case I 350 00:16:17,179 --> 00:16:14,999 believed him I believed that okay that's 351 00:16:19,249 --> 00:16:17,189 what I believe that's what convinced me 352 00:16:22,489 --> 00:16:19,259 that there was some serious issues with 353 00:16:25,970 --> 00:16:22,499 this documentation so from there we've 354 00:16:30,460 --> 00:16:25,980 got let's see we've also got a little 355 00:16:33,889 --> 00:16:30,470 segment involving the reasoning why 356 00:16:36,799 --> 00:16:33,899 ostensibly Admiral Wilson was in Vegas 357 00:16:41,269 --> 00:16:36,809 in the first place and basically what he 358 00:16:44,379 --> 00:16:41,279 says is he came to a special area to do 359 00:16:46,090 --> 00:16:44,389 some some follow-up work that his 360 00:16:49,540 --> 00:16:46,100 predecessor in his 361 00:16:52,660 --> 00:16:49,550 position with the NSA excuse me with the 362 00:16:54,010 --> 00:16:52,670 DIA was not really following up he 363 00:16:56,500 --> 00:16:54,020 didn't really care about it that would 364 00:17:01,360 --> 00:16:56,510 it would be Jacoby and the trip was set 365 00:17:03,730 --> 00:17:01,370 up by NSA members rich and Doug you Eric 366 00:17:06,069 --> 00:17:03,740 Davis know them a Pheo members told 367 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:06,079 about how new Las Vegas chapter needed 368 00:17:11,829 --> 00:17:08,690 guest speakers for a chapter public 369 00:17:14,110 --> 00:17:11,839 venue raise money membership etc now it 370 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:14,120 doesn't say specifically that that was 371 00:17:17,860 --> 00:17:15,890 part of the reason his he was coming out 372 00:17:21,490 --> 00:17:17,870 there yeah but they set up his trip to 373 00:17:23,710 --> 00:17:21,500 the new National Nuclear Security Agency 374 00:17:25,569 --> 00:17:23,720 and to do that work and you know you 375 00:17:27,670 --> 00:17:25,579 ease there anyway and it's a brand new 376 00:17:29,410 --> 00:17:27,680 chapter and that is a fact that is a new 377 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:29,420 chapter was a new chapter in October 378 00:17:35,230 --> 00:17:32,210 2002 when this meeting allegedly took 379 00:17:37,930 --> 00:17:35,240 place but there is literally no record 380 00:17:39,790 --> 00:17:37,940 of Admiral Wilson being there and on the 381 00:17:42,190 --> 00:17:39,800 last show we did mention that that we 382 00:17:46,690 --> 00:17:42,200 went back into the the periscope which 383 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:46,700 is the newsletter for a Pheo and chanc I 384 00:17:55,060 --> 00:17:53,450 have what do you want okay all right 385 00:17:57,220 --> 00:17:55,070 well yeah let me yeah let me go through 386 00:17:58,330 --> 00:17:57,230 what I got and then you can you can 387 00:18:00,550 --> 00:17:58,340 follow up because you did some 388 00:18:03,430 --> 00:18:00,560 additional follow-up on this but again 389 00:18:05,710 --> 00:18:03,440 in this periscope newsletter it does 390 00:18:08,890 --> 00:18:05,720 mention that the other Vegas chapter is 391 00:18:11,650 --> 00:18:08,900 brand new in October 2002 they did have 392 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:11,660 their their inaugural meeting and you 393 00:18:14,740 --> 00:18:13,250 know you would think that maybe if 394 00:18:15,730 --> 00:18:14,750 Admiral Wilson had spoken at this 395 00:18:18,100 --> 00:18:15,740 meeting it would have been a pretty good 396 00:18:19,390 --> 00:18:18,110 inaugural guest and they would have 397 00:18:20,590 --> 00:18:19,400 mentioned the fact that he had been 398 00:18:22,900 --> 00:18:20,600 there and spoke to them at the very 399 00:18:25,270 --> 00:18:22,910 first meeting but again no mention at 400 00:18:30,010 --> 00:18:25,280 all there of that and then finally a 401 00:18:33,970 --> 00:18:30,020 chant of see where we at now okay this 402 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:33,980 again tying back to the the serpo 403 00:18:39,130 --> 00:18:36,770 material where the president meets at 404 00:18:42,070 --> 00:18:39,140 Camp David with the caretaker and then 405 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:42,080 of course from the notes the Admiral 406 00:18:46,540 --> 00:18:44,570 Wilson was able to meet with that 407 00:18:50,350 --> 00:18:46,550 gatekeeper is the watch committee you 408 00:18:52,270 --> 00:18:50,360 know no and nobody named just they they 409 00:18:55,390 --> 00:18:52,280 give themselves these these silly names 410 00:18:57,730 --> 00:18:55,400 to to add drama to the the fictional 411 00:18:59,590 --> 00:18:57,740 narrative so there's that let's call 412 00:19:02,440 --> 00:18:59,600 back to that and chant you were 413 00:19:21,299 --> 00:19:02,450 able to get an official an official on 414 00:19:21,309 --> 00:19:30,240 I'm sorry could you run that by me again 415 00:19:36,039 --> 00:19:33,100 it doesn't say that it doesn't say that 416 00:19:37,659 --> 00:19:36,049 specifically but the the implication is 417 00:19:40,860 --> 00:19:37,669 clearly that one of the things he 418 00:19:44,460 --> 00:19:40,870 intends to do on during this trip is to 419 00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:44,470 handle his business with the N DDS 420 00:19:48,669 --> 00:19:46,850 obviously meet with Eric Davis I don't 421 00:19:50,409 --> 00:19:48,679 think that is at the top of that list 422 00:19:52,419 --> 00:19:50,419 and also since he's in the neighborhood 423 00:19:54,220 --> 00:19:52,429 anyway and these guys form a Pheo set up 424 00:19:56,590 --> 00:19:54,230 the trip but there's a little quid pro 425 00:20:04,350 --> 00:19:56,600 quo going on and that Wilson would help 426 00:20:08,289 --> 00:20:04,360 them kick start their new chapter I 427 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:08,299 contacted a person who has been a member 428 00:20:13,270 --> 00:20:09,890 of the Association of former 429 00:20:17,500 --> 00:20:13,280 intelligence officers for decades in Las 430 00:20:21,310 --> 00:20:17,510 Vegas and he went ahead and I've 431 00:20:24,340 --> 00:20:21,320 actually spoken to him twice and he sent 432 00:20:26,260 --> 00:20:24,350 me an email stating this I am a charter 433 00:20:28,860 --> 00:20:26,270 member of the Las Vegas Chapter of 434 00:20:32,039 --> 00:20:28,870 Appeal and have served as an officer 435 00:20:35,890 --> 00:20:32,049 continuously I can state without 436 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:35,900 equivocation that at no time in any year 437 00:20:42,909 --> 00:20:39,290 did we have Admiral Wilson as a speaker 438 00:20:47,830 --> 00:20:42,919 that he had any part in starting a 439 00:20:50,230 --> 00:20:47,840 chapter is patently false so you know 440 00:20:53,590 --> 00:20:50,240 this is the real problem for the 441 00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:53,600 products people okay you have to prove 442 00:20:57,970 --> 00:20:56,330 that Wilson was in Vegas on the date in 443 00:21:00,789 --> 00:20:57,980 question if you don't have that these 444 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:00,799 docs are absolutely fake and you know 445 00:21:04,210 --> 00:21:02,690 going into it I thought they're well 446 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:04,220 researched enough there was a very 447 00:21:09,669 --> 00:21:07,010 reasonable chance that it might turn out 448 00:21:11,620 --> 00:21:09,679 that in fact he was in Vegas on that 449 00:21:15,700 --> 00:21:11,630 particular date but it's starting to 450 00:21:19,450 --> 00:21:15,710 look more and more and more as if he was 451 00:21:21,820 --> 00:21:19,460 not so this is a serious problem for the 452 00:21:23,980 --> 00:21:21,830 products folks the folks are saying this 453 00:21:27,460 --> 00:21:23,990 is going to be very difficult to debunk 454 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:27,470 well you know so far it hasn't proved 455 00:21:31,380 --> 00:21:29,770 that difficult at all maybe did 456 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:31,390 prove thoroughly and completely that 457 00:21:36,870 --> 00:21:34,210 it's a fake but we're gathering lots of 458 00:21:39,570 --> 00:21:36,880 evidence to to really knock this 459 00:21:41,669 --> 00:21:39,580 material down and the products folks are 460 00:21:43,470 --> 00:21:41,679 really coming out with nothing and I 461 00:21:47,940 --> 00:21:43,480 mean nothing other than the docks 462 00:21:49,890 --> 00:21:47,950 themselves to the claim at that it's 463 00:21:51,570 --> 00:21:49,900 real and there's no there's no 464 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:51,580 additional evidence to prove that it's 465 00:21:57,090 --> 00:21:53,650 real and in fact the docks themselves 466 00:21:59,340 --> 00:21:57,100 sort of a sort of self-destruct when you 467 00:22:03,180 --> 00:21:59,350 take a closer look at them so there's 468 00:22:06,690 --> 00:22:03,190 that but but there's more there's more 469 00:22:09,090 --> 00:22:06,700 so what what else do we have June did 470 00:22:11,700 --> 00:22:09,100 you feel like going on to the alien 471 00:22:18,210 --> 00:22:11,710 autopsy memo to go over that a little 472 00:22:23,220 --> 00:22:18,220 bit I think you have some notes on pages 473 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:23,230 4 6 9 and 10 yes 474 00:22:28,110 --> 00:22:25,330 yeah I just want to follow along at home 475 00:22:30,690 --> 00:22:28,120 they can and what I'm gonna do right now 476 00:22:33,780 --> 00:22:30,700 for the folks is I'm gonna grab a link 477 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:33,790 to that actual document so people aren't 478 00:22:39,120 --> 00:22:36,610 just like wondering what are we talking 479 00:22:42,750 --> 00:22:39,130 about so they can actually follow along 480 00:22:44,580 --> 00:22:42,760 so there's the link regarding the 481 00:22:48,870 --> 00:22:44,590 document that we are about to talk about 482 00:22:51,330 --> 00:22:48,880 and that is called colloquially as the 483 00:22:57,090 --> 00:22:51,340 alien autopsy memo 484 00:23:00,630 --> 00:22:57,100 now these documents in my view are fate 485 00:23:04,350 --> 00:23:00,640 I will share some opinions points and 486 00:23:06,090 --> 00:23:04,360 evidence now I'm going to call the alien 487 00:23:11,210 --> 00:23:06,100 autopsy memo 488 00:23:15,350 --> 00:23:11,220 I am so when I say that acronym I am I'm 489 00:23:21,020 --> 00:23:15,360 talking about the alien autopsy memo 490 00:23:23,790 --> 00:23:21,030 okay one again I will share opinions 491 00:23:26,430 --> 00:23:23,800 points and evidence so you will hear a 492 00:23:29,780 --> 00:23:26,440 mixture of that when I'm talking one a 493 00:23:32,730 --> 00:23:29,790 scientist of kit grains magnitude I 494 00:23:41,820 --> 00:23:32,740 believe does not use the word nope and 495 00:23:46,749 --> 00:23:41,830 ope on page six on page six 496 00:23:49,889 --> 00:23:46,759 and I believe would not use all caps 497 00:23:54,340 --> 00:23:49,899 either when referring to anything 498 00:23:57,639 --> 00:23:54,350 amongst all of his peers at any time 499 00:24:01,479 --> 00:23:57,649 whether it be a memo or email any kind 500 00:24:03,369 --> 00:24:01,489 of communication maybe in jest but I 501 00:24:08,789 --> 00:24:03,379 don't believe that that person would use 502 00:24:11,769 --> 00:24:08,799 screaming caps throughout an entire memo 503 00:24:14,469 --> 00:24:11,779 document or a series of emails or an 504 00:24:20,259 --> 00:24:14,479 email or any kind of communication to 505 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:20,269 peers in at a professional level - if 506 00:24:26,589 --> 00:24:23,090 you go to page six terms use like reggae 507 00:24:31,570 --> 00:24:26,599 our UGA when they're talking about the 508 00:24:36,009 --> 00:24:31,580 brain and that part of the document the 509 00:24:39,149 --> 00:24:36,019 term used called ruggy 510 00:24:43,330 --> 00:24:39,159 is incorrect for describing brain folds 511 00:24:46,330 --> 00:24:43,340 Rugg a are ridges folds around the stump 512 00:24:51,509 --> 00:24:46,340 folds found in the stomach digestive 513 00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:51,519 systems that allow for expansion the 514 00:25:02,950 --> 00:24:59,769 dr. Greene would have been more precise 515 00:25:06,729 --> 00:25:02,960 about this and he would have known this 516 00:25:11,710 --> 00:25:06,739 kind of information so the term used 517 00:25:15,659 --> 00:25:11,720 like reggae it seems to me that he would 518 00:25:18,399 --> 00:25:15,669 have had the knowledge base to 519 00:25:21,789 --> 00:25:18,409 definitely not have used a term like 520 00:25:28,810 --> 00:25:21,799 this this medical term in an incorrect 521 00:25:32,469 --> 00:25:28,820 manner number three on page nine emails 522 00:25:36,899 --> 00:25:32,479 from KITT Hal and John show that in 523 00:25:42,180 --> 00:25:36,909 January 7th 2001 they all have a 524 00:25:49,139 --> 00:25:42,190 Singapore located in the email address 525 00:25:54,369 --> 00:25:49,149 now I've already confirmed from John 526 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:54,379 Alexander himself that he not only did 527 00:25:59,800 --> 00:25:54,890 not 528 00:26:03,550 --> 00:25:59,810 work for General Motors he never worked 529 00:26:10,390 --> 00:26:03,560 for General Motors and he never ever 530 00:26:14,950 --> 00:26:10,400 worked in Singapore also he'll from my 531 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:14,960 research I have discovered and I believe 532 00:26:20,950 --> 00:26:18,170 it to be correct never work for General 533 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:20,960 Motors and never worked in Singapore 534 00:26:31,570 --> 00:26:25,850 that is a located on page nine so 535 00:26:34,570 --> 00:26:31,580 already we know it is a fact that John B 536 00:26:39,660 --> 00:26:34,580 Alexander who is referenced in this 537 00:26:46,450 --> 00:26:39,670 alien autopsy talk or memo rather with a 538 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:46,460 at GM dot-com SG email address he never 539 00:26:54,070 --> 00:26:48,890 ever once worked for General Motors and 540 00:26:57,550 --> 00:26:54,080 he never ever worked in Singapore now on 541 00:27:02,770 --> 00:26:57,560 page ten there is an email showing it at 542 00:27:07,540 --> 00:27:02,780 a GM are calm in looking at Kristin 543 00:27:12,450 --> 00:27:07,550 Zimmerman email we see a us underscore 544 00:27:21,250 --> 00:27:12,460 GM underscore wrn underscore t c-101 545 00:27:24,670 --> 00:27:21,260 at notes GM are calm now an individual 546 00:27:29,350 --> 00:27:24,680 who I spoke with told me that he knows 547 00:27:35,470 --> 00:27:29,360 from working in the army that this could 548 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:35,480 be referring to TAC om tech um which is 549 00:27:44,550 --> 00:27:38,330 an army tank automotive and armaments 550 00:27:51,580 --> 00:27:44,560 command Warren meaning Warren Michigan 551 00:27:55,060 --> 00:27:51,590 so the US Army Tom I am sta - CSP this 552 00:27:59,170 --> 00:27:55,070 is her address six five zero one east 11 553 00:28:03,820 --> 00:27:59,180 Mile Road Warren Michigan four eight 554 00:28:05,710 --> 00:28:03,830 three nine seven - 5,000 and this is 555 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:05,720 where he said we make our tracked 556 00:28:09,970 --> 00:28:07,610 vehicles 557 00:28:13,360 --> 00:28:09,980 General Motors is also located in 558 00:28:16,750 --> 00:28:13,370 Michigan anyone working in the IT world 559 00:28:19,470 --> 00:28:16,760 knows that syntax for male domains are 560 00:28:22,180 --> 00:28:19,480 very specific and consistent for 561 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:22,190 organizations he said so I'm going to 562 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:24,050 read that again because that's extremely 563 00:28:31,120 --> 00:28:26,570 important on page 10 there's an email 564 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:31,130 now showing it at a GM are calm in 565 00:28:36,700 --> 00:28:33,290 looking at Kristin Zimmerman's 566 00:28:40,890 --> 00:28:36,710 email we see a u.s. underscore GM 567 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:40,900 underscore wrn underscore TC 1 0 1 @ 568 00:28:48,310 --> 00:28:45,770 notes dodgem are calm he said I do know 569 00:28:52,860 --> 00:28:48,320 from working here in the army that this 570 00:29:00,270 --> 00:28:52,870 could be referring to taka ta c om in 571 00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:00,280 Warren again Warren Michigan and he said 572 00:29:05,230 --> 00:29:02,570 this is where we make our tracked 573 00:29:07,540 --> 00:29:05,240 vehicles General Motors is also located 574 00:29:09,580 --> 00:29:07,550 in Michigan anyone working in the IT 575 00:29:13,300 --> 00:29:09,590 world knows that syntax were male 576 00:29:14,830 --> 00:29:13,310 domains male M ail domains are very 577 00:29:18,190 --> 00:29:14,840 specific and consistent for 578 00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:18,200 organizations we seek it underscore 579 00:29:28,810 --> 00:29:23,570 green at GM our notes three dot GM our 580 00:29:39,190 --> 00:29:28,820 comm comma KITT underscore green at GMR 581 00:29:42,850 --> 00:29:39,200 comm comma KITT green at G m.com SG just 582 00:29:45,340 --> 00:29:42,860 so everybody is aware KITT green from 583 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:45,350 the research that I have been able to 584 00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:48,730 locate through the help of another 585 00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:54,770 well-known researcher and this was this 586 00:29:59,830 --> 00:29:56,690 is really important that everybody knows 587 00:30:02,260 --> 00:29:59,840 this and this actually up I mean let me 588 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:02,270 preface let me restate that again the 589 00:30:07,270 --> 00:30:04,610 individual that gave me the information 590 00:30:10,420 --> 00:30:07,280 that he did not work in Singapore which 591 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:10,430 was John Alexander he told me that KITT 592 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:15,010 green was the VP for General Motors in 593 00:30:21,370 --> 00:30:19,730 Singapore so that part of the email 594 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:21,380 address for that person 595 00:30:27,610 --> 00:30:24,650 in this memo is correct but for how and 596 00:30:32,909 --> 00:30:27,620 for John Alexander dot simi Amell email 597 00:30:38,049 --> 00:30:32,919 address is not now going to page for 598 00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:38,059 kick green slash us slash GM slash GMC 599 00:30:46,659 --> 00:30:42,370 at GM that's missing a.com 600 00:30:49,630 --> 00:30:46,669 why did nobody notice this it's right in 601 00:30:53,919 --> 00:30:49,640 front of all of us see this is a thing 602 00:30:58,360 --> 00:30:53,929 Frank everybody is taking all of these 603 00:31:02,140 --> 00:30:58,370 documents as though they are completely 604 00:31:05,230 --> 00:31:02,150 real without looking at the obvious 605 00:31:08,830 --> 00:31:05,240 aspects that are staring at us right in 606 00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:08,840 our face all we have to do is stare at 607 00:31:14,020 --> 00:31:11,210 this document and scrutinize it a little 608 00:31:18,370 --> 00:31:14,030 bit harder and you will see some strange 609 00:31:23,860 --> 00:31:18,380 anomalies such as on page 4 the kid 610 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:23,870 green slash us slash GM / GMC at GM is 611 00:31:30,250 --> 00:31:27,650 missing a.com now I have tried to email 612 00:31:33,220 --> 00:31:30,260 people without the dot-com it has never 613 00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:33,230 worked it never will work and that just 614 00:31:38,770 --> 00:31:35,330 will not happen for a very valid email 615 00:31:41,740 --> 00:31:38,780 address error message exactly so either 616 00:31:47,289 --> 00:31:41,750 somebody forgot to copy and paste the 617 00:31:49,690 --> 00:31:47,299 rest of that or it's unknown but I can 618 00:31:52,390 --> 00:31:49,700 tell you this the email that came out of 619 00:31:54,370 --> 00:31:52,400 that particular part of the document on 620 00:31:57,310 --> 00:31:54,380 page 4 where you can see an email 621 00:31:59,500 --> 00:31:57,320 underneath it there's no way that email 622 00:32:03,700 --> 00:31:59,510 actually could have gone through 623 00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:03,710 correctly because of that calm part 624 00:32:11,350 --> 00:32:07,130 missing for that individual at least now 625 00:32:15,460 --> 00:32:11,360 the last email such masters does not 626 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:15,470 have the correct email construct there 627 00:32:21,789 --> 00:32:19,010 are two twos so we'll look into that in 628 00:32:26,500 --> 00:32:21,799 just a moment when we see two twos 629 00:32:27,490 --> 00:32:26,510 there's tio twice so I'll look at that 630 00:32:32,039 --> 00:32:27,500 in just a moment 631 00:32:34,020 --> 00:32:32,049 now kit is calling Hal on page ten 632 00:32:35,850 --> 00:32:34,030 Halbert 633 00:32:38,580 --> 00:32:35,860 just so everybody is aware I'm gonna 634 00:32:40,530 --> 00:32:38,590 read that again on page 10 let's look at 635 00:32:45,750 --> 00:32:40,540 that it's right in front of us 636 00:32:48,090 --> 00:32:45,760 KITT is calling Hal Halbert now why 637 00:32:53,070 --> 00:32:48,100 would anybody who has known hell for 638 00:33:02,840 --> 00:32:53,080 years call Hal Halbert when he'll put 639 00:33:10,260 --> 00:33:08,130 okay so that is very odd to me and I 640 00:33:14,190 --> 00:33:10,270 know that this might sound a little 641 00:33:16,860 --> 00:33:14,200 redundant but it's really important for 642 00:33:20,550 --> 00:33:16,870 people to understand that there are 643 00:33:27,690 --> 00:33:20,560 people who are shopping around this memo 644 00:33:29,460 --> 00:33:27,700 as though it is authentic now it doesn't 645 00:33:33,210 --> 00:33:29,470 really matter does it 646 00:33:37,460 --> 00:33:33,220 who is saying it is this document is 647 00:33:40,230 --> 00:33:37,470 authentic if we are pointing out here 648 00:33:44,250 --> 00:33:40,240 all of the research we've done to 649 00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:44,260 indicate not only proof that somebody 650 00:33:49,710 --> 00:33:45,970 did not work 651 00:33:52,140 --> 00:33:49,720 in Singapore for General Motors 652 00:33:54,990 --> 00:33:52,150 but that another individual in the 653 00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:55,000 document didn't either and people can go 654 00:34:00,260 --> 00:33:57,010 do their due diligence to check on that 655 00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:00,270 and ask how about that if they wish but 656 00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:03,970 why would kid call Hal Halbert when 657 00:34:15,180 --> 00:34:09,370 that's not his name now I wanted to ask 658 00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:15,190 you Frank just a question why do you not 659 00:34:20,310 --> 00:34:18,010 take documents like this at face value 660 00:34:24,030 --> 00:34:20,320 and I have a part two to that that I 661 00:34:25,770 --> 00:34:24,040 would like to add I want to tell the 662 00:34:28,409 --> 00:34:25,780 whole UFO community something that's 663 00:34:34,820 --> 00:34:28,419 really interesting I've noticed and that 664 00:34:38,970 --> 00:34:34,830 is people have been saying repeatedly 665 00:34:42,570 --> 00:34:38,980 that there's a famous talk-show hosts 666 00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:42,580 and iconic people in the realm of 667 00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:46,690 ufology that are stating this document 668 00:34:49,169 --> 00:34:47,530 and 669 00:34:53,870 --> 00:34:49,179 the other document known as The Smoking 670 00:34:59,130 --> 00:34:53,880 Gun doc are authentic so it must be real 671 00:35:02,310 --> 00:34:59,140 well that's not enough you know you can 672 00:35:04,830 --> 00:35:02,320 be an excellent researcher and put your 673 00:35:07,620 --> 00:35:04,840 name behind something but that does not 674 00:35:10,890 --> 00:35:07,630 mean I'm gonna believe you you know why 675 00:35:14,550 --> 00:35:10,900 because I have to do my due diligence 676 00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:14,560 and my own research to systematically 677 00:35:22,190 --> 00:35:18,970 tear a document apart bit by bit to make 678 00:35:27,270 --> 00:35:22,200 sure every single part of it actually 679 00:35:31,530 --> 00:35:27,280 adds up and that's the thing Frank this 680 00:35:35,660 --> 00:35:31,540 document this aam document does not add 681 00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:35,670 up so why do people blindly believe 682 00:35:41,910 --> 00:35:38,650 iconic people in the UFO community and 683 00:35:46,140 --> 00:35:41,920 famous talk show hosts because they say 684 00:35:48,450 --> 00:35:46,150 this is real deal with it why is that 685 00:35:52,020 --> 00:35:48,460 enough for people why don't they bother 686 00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:52,030 to actually do research like we did well 687 00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:54,610 the will to believe is very very strong 688 00:35:59,340 --> 00:35:56,890 some folks have been around this UFO 689 00:36:02,850 --> 00:35:59,350 business for a while will remember the 690 00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:02,860 Roswell slides the purported picture of 691 00:36:07,170 --> 00:36:05,770 a dead alien and I know some people who 692 00:36:09,450 --> 00:36:07,180 were involved in a good friend of mine 693 00:36:12,570 --> 00:36:09,460 Toni Berg alia he was involved in that 694 00:36:14,070 --> 00:36:12,580 heavily and he believed I mean the 695 00:36:16,140 --> 00:36:14,080 circumstances were a lot different it 696 00:36:20,100 --> 00:36:16,150 wasn't a document but it was a 697 00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:20,110 photograph of what proved to be a dead 698 00:36:23,430 --> 00:36:21,610 mummy that would they'd been around a 699 00:36:26,010 --> 00:36:23,440 while it looked kind of vaguely alien 700 00:36:29,130 --> 00:36:26,020 and there's no question about it it's a 701 00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:29,140 startling stunning image but you know 702 00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:30,850 the will to believe is strong and I'm 703 00:36:35,190 --> 00:36:32,770 convinced a lot of people kept calling 704 00:36:38,460 --> 00:36:35,200 that fraud and fake and all that as it 705 00:36:40,050 --> 00:36:38,470 turned out they I think they made a 706 00:36:41,820 --> 00:36:40,060 mistake I do believe that the the 707 00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:41,830 researchers involved without especially 708 00:36:45,630 --> 00:36:43,210 Toni they believed that they had 709 00:36:47,460 --> 00:36:45,640 something they really did and I think 710 00:36:49,380 --> 00:36:47,470 grant really believed that he had 711 00:36:51,330 --> 00:36:49,390 something but you know you should have 712 00:36:53,850 --> 00:36:51,340 asked around a little bit more I mean 713 00:36:55,290 --> 00:36:53,860 Michael certainly knew the the things 714 00:36:57,510 --> 00:36:55,300 that I were that even seeing these 715 00:36:59,830 --> 00:36:57,520 documents aspire all the smoking gun 716 00:37:02,110 --> 00:36:59,840 document Nicola that's the one 717 00:37:04,810 --> 00:37:02,120 but that without even seeing these 718 00:37:05,830 --> 00:37:04,820 documents I was and he had he should 719 00:37:08,140 --> 00:37:05,840 have known that some of the red flags 720 00:37:10,150 --> 00:37:08,150 that I was raising should have been 721 00:37:12,430 --> 00:37:10,160 should have been a concern but you know 722 00:37:17,020 --> 00:37:12,440 that will - believe is very very strong 723 00:37:21,810 --> 00:37:17,030 very very strong so there's that and 724 00:37:24,100 --> 00:37:21,820 also the the will to either ignore or 725 00:37:28,060 --> 00:37:24,110 misrepresent research that demonstrates 726 00:37:29,730 --> 00:37:28,070 as something that is Pro UFO is also 727 00:37:32,860 --> 00:37:29,740 very very strong again I dealt with that 728 00:37:36,310 --> 00:37:32,870 involving the Socorro case so you know 729 00:37:38,530 --> 00:37:36,320 there's that as well it it's a funny 730 00:37:40,420 --> 00:37:38,540 thing but all you can really do is keep 731 00:37:44,770 --> 00:37:40,430 following the leads keep following the 732 00:37:47,170 --> 00:37:44,780 research and you know the truth will not 733 00:37:50,770 --> 00:37:47,180 maybe not always out in the end but 734 00:37:53,730 --> 00:37:50,780 we're finding out more and this this 735 00:37:56,260 --> 00:37:53,740 hasn't been difficult for debunkers to 736 00:37:57,820 --> 00:37:56,270 discredit you know I don't even know 737 00:37:59,500 --> 00:37:57,830 that any quote-unquote the bunkers have 738 00:38:02,050 --> 00:37:59,510 tried to discredit it I don't know if 739 00:38:04,540 --> 00:38:02,060 they've even bothered but you know when 740 00:38:06,130 --> 00:38:04,550 you get a couple of researchers who you 741 00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:06,140 know I've been doing this for a little 742 00:38:12,100 --> 00:38:08,690 while on this in a looking at this a 743 00:38:14,530 --> 00:38:12,110 little bit more critically than that 744 00:38:17,740 --> 00:38:14,540 that it was pretty easy to at least 745 00:38:19,330 --> 00:38:17,750 raise serious concerns I mean I you know 746 00:38:21,370 --> 00:38:19,340 when I spoke to Michael when we had them 747 00:38:23,890 --> 00:38:21,380 on the show I guess it's been going on 748 00:38:27,550 --> 00:38:23,900 three weeks now will be three weeks this 749 00:38:29,050 --> 00:38:27,560 week you know they got to show something 750 00:38:30,970 --> 00:38:29,060 they've got to show something more than 751 00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:30,980 the facts of the docs they've got a you 752 00:38:35,170 --> 00:38:33,530 know place Admiral Wilson in Vegas which 753 00:38:37,540 --> 00:38:35,180 were we've raised doubts about now 754 00:38:40,660 --> 00:38:37,550 they've got to do a lot of other things 755 00:38:43,660 --> 00:38:40,670 before running around saying that this 756 00:38:46,270 --> 00:38:43,670 is the leak of the century and you know 757 00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:46,280 are you kidding me when we make contact 758 00:38:50,470 --> 00:38:47,770 with Admiral Wilson and then 759 00:38:53,500 --> 00:38:50,480 misrepresent the the contents of that 760 00:38:55,720 --> 00:38:53,510 exchange and then you know a deal with 761 00:38:57,640 --> 00:38:55,730 it and of course we don't know what 762 00:38:59,470 --> 00:38:57,650 we're talking about well I think that we 763 00:39:01,600 --> 00:38:59,480 do and I think we've demonstrated that 764 00:39:04,500 --> 00:39:01,610 over the last roughly 40 minutes or so 765 00:39:06,670 --> 00:39:04,510 but there's more we're not done yet 766 00:39:08,620 --> 00:39:06,680 okay just one last thing 767 00:39:09,270 --> 00:39:08,630 and I might bring up something later on 768 00:39:14,700 --> 00:39:09,280 in the talk 769 00:39:17,580 --> 00:39:14,710 but on page 11 in this aam document 770 00:39:19,470 --> 00:39:17,590 alleged document I wanted to bring up 771 00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:19,480 something interesting that I was hoping 772 00:39:24,660 --> 00:39:22,330 people out there who are like ourselves 773 00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:24,670 and like to do research and do their own 774 00:39:31,500 --> 00:39:27,610 due diligence if you look at the email 775 00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:31,510 header on page 11 I'm reaching out to 776 00:39:35,490 --> 00:39:33,490 anybody out there that's willing to do 777 00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:35,500 some research on this I know I will 778 00:39:40,380 --> 00:39:37,570 hopefully they'll find out some 779 00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:40,390 interesting information that is it says 780 00:39:48,060 --> 00:39:44,650 from put off at aol.com on eight slash a 781 00:39:52,140 --> 00:39:48,070 1 slash ninety nine eleven nineteen 782 00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:52,150 forty two p.m. then we move on to the 783 00:39:57,840 --> 00:39:54,850 two part kick green and another email 784 00:40:05,090 --> 00:39:57,850 address then we move on to where it says 785 00:40:09,510 --> 00:40:05,100 date Saturday comma 31 July 1999 786 00:40:12,900 --> 00:40:09,520 thirteen eighteen twenty-four EDT do you 787 00:40:15,630 --> 00:40:12,910 remember this part Frank yeah let me add 788 00:40:17,820 --> 00:40:15,640 that page eleven to the screenshot it's 789 00:40:30,450 --> 00:40:17,830 not sure I don't know how well the folks 790 00:40:32,220 --> 00:40:30,460 can read it but now maybe you can even 791 00:40:34,260 --> 00:40:32,230 if you feel like you have the time Frank 792 00:40:37,050 --> 00:40:34,270 to just do a screenshot of only that 793 00:40:40,350 --> 00:40:37,060 part where you are just at on page 794 00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:40,360 eleven just cut that page in half and 795 00:40:48,510 --> 00:40:43,930 slip that into the slideshow so that 796 00:40:52,380 --> 00:40:48,520 people can see it close closer page 797 00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:52,390 eleven and the print is kind of smaller 798 00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:55,690 or more is it yeah 799 00:40:59,490 --> 00:40:57,130 if you feel like you can cut that in 800 00:41:01,530 --> 00:40:59,500 half and do a screenshot of page eleven 801 00:41:03,660 --> 00:41:01,540 on the bottom part I've got a few things 802 00:41:04,110 --> 00:41:03,670 to do so but people can check it out on 803 00:41:06,690 --> 00:41:04,120 their own 804 00:41:09,890 --> 00:41:06,700 sure okay so anyway maybe you can also 805 00:41:14,340 --> 00:41:09,900 change eleven of the alien autopsy 806 00:41:18,990 --> 00:41:14,350 series of emails right so Frank are you 807 00:41:23,890 --> 00:41:21,550 screens I have to look at are bits 808 00:41:28,210 --> 00:41:23,900 okay so let me just go ahead and make 809 00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:28,220 sure that you let me there's the link 810 00:41:31,810 --> 00:41:29,690 right there for you I just sent it to 811 00:41:33,430 --> 00:41:31,820 you and while he's looking for that I'm 812 00:41:36,310 --> 00:41:33,440 just gonna mention something while he's 813 00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:36,320 looking moving along to the same area it 814 00:41:39,940 --> 00:41:38,210 says KITT and Kristen just wanted to 815 00:41:44,020 --> 00:41:39,950 checked it and I send you a package of 816 00:41:46,030 --> 00:41:44,030 UFO mag articles by pseudonym how do you 817 00:41:47,740 --> 00:41:46,040 say that pseudonymous I've never even 818 00:41:53,410 --> 00:41:47,750 heard that word or something okay 819 00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:53,420 sure god work okay okay yeah so you're 820 00:41:59,170 --> 00:41:56,450 there then right it works okay so okay 821 00:42:03,010 --> 00:41:59,180 so at the so I'll start at the top here 822 00:42:06,820 --> 00:42:03,020 it says from put off at aol.com on 8/1 823 00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:06,830 slash 9911 1942 p.m. you see that right 824 00:42:18,670 --> 00:42:15,610 Frank okay and then so that would be at 825 00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:18,680 okay well anyway it says it says it 826 00:42:22,390 --> 00:42:20,330 below it says I just where it says I 827 00:42:25,030 --> 00:42:22,400 destroyed the papers it's below that and 828 00:42:27,900 --> 00:42:25,040 then it says to KITT green and then 829 00:42:32,410 --> 00:42:27,910 another email address then it says date 830 00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:32,420 then it says stay Saturday or Sat 831 00:42:40,540 --> 00:42:39,050 comma 31 jul 19 90 9 13 18 24 EDT do you 832 00:42:43,420 --> 00:42:40,550 remember when we were talking about this 833 00:42:45,460 --> 00:42:43,430 with that famous researcher that I 834 00:42:48,370 --> 00:42:45,470 cannot name right now about how 835 00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:48,380 anomalous this was in other words it 836 00:42:54,940 --> 00:42:50,930 shows two different time styles 837 00:42:58,510 --> 00:42:54,950 it shows a time style of military time 838 00:43:01,810 --> 00:42:58,520 and then the other one is just a p.m. 839 00:43:04,300 --> 00:43:01,820 you know an ampm time I would like to 840 00:43:07,690 --> 00:43:04,310 see if anybody can find out if that 841 00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:07,700 seems like that's possible for an email 842 00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:12,410 header to have a date where it says an 843 00:43:18,190 --> 00:43:15,530 actual word date and then that kind of 844 00:43:18,730 --> 00:43:18,200 time and date stamp or the other one 845 00:43:20,230 --> 00:43:18,740 doesn't 846 00:43:23,260 --> 00:43:20,240 yeah I think that kind of thing might be 847 00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:23,270 possible well we'll find out because 848 00:43:27,460 --> 00:43:25,850 what I'm going to do and I say this let 849 00:43:30,550 --> 00:43:27,470 me go into the reason I say this because 850 00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:30,560 in Europe for example like we express 851 00:43:34,750 --> 00:43:31,130 dates 852 00:43:37,660 --> 00:43:34,760 today is October 24th for exam 853 00:43:39,579 --> 00:43:37,670 so we will put down 1024 but folks in 854 00:43:41,559 --> 00:43:39,589 other countries will put the de first 855 00:43:43,690 --> 00:43:41,569 and then the month so it'll be 24 10 856 00:43:47,589 --> 00:43:43,700 they'll do it that way so that if 857 00:43:54,240 --> 00:43:47,599 somebody's on the you know is using a 24 858 00:44:00,130 --> 00:43:57,880 I'm I'm gonna find out now I'm not 859 00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:00,140 saying there's anything wrong with that 860 00:44:06,579 --> 00:44:02,930 I'm just saying that it looks rather 861 00:44:07,779 --> 00:44:06,589 anomalous to me because I've never seen 862 00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:07,789 it before but it doesn't mean just 863 00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:09,890 because I haven't seen it before that 864 00:44:15,779 --> 00:44:11,930 it's not possible I just find it odd 865 00:44:19,150 --> 00:44:15,789 that an email header there is a military 866 00:44:22,569 --> 00:44:19,160 set of time there and then in the same 867 00:44:25,750 --> 00:44:22,579 email header that there is an ampm style 868 00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:25,760 of time now moving along underneath that 869 00:44:30,519 --> 00:44:28,490 email header it says KITT comma Kristen 870 00:44:32,829 --> 00:44:30,529 comma just wanted to check didn't I send 871 00:44:35,589 --> 00:44:32,839 you a package of UFO mag articles by a 872 00:44:37,809 --> 00:44:35,599 pseudonymous author such masters 873 00:44:40,059 --> 00:44:37,819 concerning crashed slash retrievals by a 874 00:44:42,220 --> 00:44:40,069 group called zodiac if so still hoping 875 00:44:43,809 --> 00:44:42,230 for a read out by you on this as we have 876 00:44:45,819 --> 00:44:43,819 reason to believe the set of stories 877 00:44:47,740 --> 00:44:45,829 three I think are only slightly 878 00:44:49,750 --> 00:44:47,750 fictionalized versions of a sources 879 00:44:54,099 --> 00:44:49,760 experiences writing up records for the 880 00:44:56,049 --> 00:44:54,109 archives at WPAFB specifically ever 881 00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:56,059 heard of zodiac which is supposed to be 882 00:45:00,970 --> 00:44:56,930 the true name 883 00:45:02,980 --> 00:45:00,980 second question comb once mentioned that 884 00:45:06,220 --> 00:45:02,990 you had seen real autopsy records are 885 00:45:08,079 --> 00:45:06,230 you holding out on me best regards how I 886 00:45:09,910 --> 00:45:08,089 just wanted to mention this is just 887 00:45:13,390 --> 00:45:09,920 opinion this is not fact it's not 888 00:45:15,700 --> 00:45:13,400 evidence where it says just wanted to 889 00:45:18,069 --> 00:45:15,710 check didn't I send you package you of 890 00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:18,079 UFO mag articles on down to where it 891 00:45:23,890 --> 00:45:20,450 says specifically ever heard of zodiac I 892 00:45:26,650 --> 00:45:23,900 kind of think that this is an anomalous 893 00:45:30,490 --> 00:45:26,660 paragraph I don't see really what it has 894 00:45:34,059 --> 00:45:30,500 to do with the rest of the vibe of the 895 00:45:36,700 --> 00:45:34,069 rest of the email here it just seems 896 00:45:38,529 --> 00:45:36,710 like something that doesn't really seem 897 00:45:41,859 --> 00:45:38,539 like it has enough gravity to be 898 00:45:45,039 --> 00:45:41,869 included in this kind of serious alleged 899 00:45:46,900 --> 00:45:45,049 document but that's just my opinion did 900 00:45:48,190 --> 00:45:46,910 you have anything else Frank aside from 901 00:45:50,620 --> 00:45:48,200 the other stuff that we were 902 00:45:52,089 --> 00:45:50,630 to do research on yeah that really the 903 00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:52,099 the next thing that I would want to go 904 00:45:58,750 --> 00:45:55,010 to is the the Edgar Mitchell letter and 905 00:46:00,730 --> 00:45:58,760 that is now supposedly all these 906 00:46:02,829 --> 00:46:00,740 documents came from the Edgar Mitchell 907 00:46:04,990 --> 00:46:02,839 collection and the reason people are 908 00:46:07,300 --> 00:46:05,000 jumping to that conclusion is because 909 00:46:09,579 --> 00:46:07,310 there is a letter addressed to Edgar 910 00:46:14,230 --> 00:46:09,589 Mitchell in the collection and that is 911 00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:14,240 coming up where where is this ok I gotta 912 00:46:21,010 --> 00:46:17,930 go back there it is from of course 913 00:46:24,099 --> 00:46:21,020 Mitchell was a member of knids and he 914 00:46:26,740 --> 00:46:24,109 gets this letter supposedly from Bob 915 00:46:29,859 --> 00:46:26,750 Bigelow so I don't think that's 916 00:46:33,250 --> 00:46:29,869 necessarily proved just because somebody 917 00:46:35,410 --> 00:46:33,260 has dr. Mitchell's address and puts at 918 00:46:36,819 --> 00:46:35,420 the top of the letter dear mr. Mitchell 919 00:46:39,069 --> 00:46:36,829 again I don't think that necessarily 920 00:46:41,260 --> 00:46:39,079 proves there's a lot of cutting and 921 00:46:43,150 --> 00:46:41,270 pasting going on somebody might have 922 00:46:45,790 --> 00:46:43,160 gotten a letter to somebody different 923 00:46:48,370 --> 00:46:45,800 within needs and decided to pop Edgar 924 00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:48,380 Mitchell's name in there just to make 925 00:46:53,650 --> 00:46:51,770 the letter a little bit or the the 926 00:46:56,410 --> 00:46:53,660 entire document cache a little bit more 927 00:46:58,270 --> 00:46:56,420 credible even if this letter is 928 00:47:01,359 --> 00:46:58,280 legitimate I don't think that 929 00:47:03,069 --> 00:47:01,369 necessarily proves that the Admiral 930 00:47:04,990 --> 00:47:03,079 Wilson docume is legitimate again I 931 00:47:07,870 --> 00:47:05,000 think we've brought up plenty of 932 00:47:12,370 --> 00:47:07,880 information to the effect that it is not 933 00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:12,380 but there is an odd paragraph in Keith 934 00:47:17,559 --> 00:47:14,290 Bastyr field was also working on this 935 00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:17,569 mentioned this in his most I don't know 936 00:47:21,190 --> 00:47:19,010 if his most recent article or the one 937 00:47:23,490 --> 00:47:21,200 before that but at the bottom of the 938 00:47:25,690 --> 00:47:23,500 second page of the Mitchell document 939 00:47:29,620 --> 00:47:25,700 enclosed is a copy of an article 940 00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:29,630 provided to us by your colleague SAV 941 00:47:34,599 --> 00:47:32,450 number ingre Mitchell Keith suggests 942 00:47:36,130 --> 00:47:34,609 that this is just a this is the kind of 943 00:47:37,240 --> 00:47:36,140 letter and I think we've got that 944 00:47:39,220 --> 00:47:37,250 confirmed that this is the kind of 945 00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:39,230 letter that went out to needs members in 946 00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:41,690 general so that the Edgar Mitchell gets 947 00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:43,130 mentioned and then he also gets 948 00:47:48,490 --> 00:47:45,770 addressed at the top of the letter isn't 949 00:47:50,079 --> 00:47:48,500 necessarily that unusual it could be 950 00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:50,089 some kind of yeah just a mail merge and 951 00:47:53,380 --> 00:47:51,890 he happened to be mentioned in the body 952 00:47:55,300 --> 00:47:53,390 of the letter and he's also getting a 953 00:47:56,980 --> 00:47:55,310 copy of the letter not necessarily that 954 00:47:59,800 --> 00:47:56,990 big a deal 955 00:48:01,660 --> 00:47:59,810 again it's also quite possible that yeah 956 00:48:03,130 --> 00:48:01,670 this is a legitimate letter but that was 957 00:48:04,930 --> 00:48:03,140 not addressed to Edgar Mitchell's 958 00:48:06,850 --> 00:48:04,940 address to somebody else and somebody's 959 00:48:09,130 --> 00:48:06,860 popping his name in there just to give 960 00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:09,140 the entire document cash a little bit 961 00:48:12,220 --> 00:48:10,850 more credibility they're leaning on this 962 00:48:14,140 --> 00:48:12,230 heart and they're working the wrong end 963 00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:14,150 of the problem there they're working it 964 00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:16,970 back from the release back to you know 965 00:48:20,859 --> 00:48:19,130 they're working the problem that way and 966 00:48:22,540 --> 00:48:20,869 I don't know that they're ever going to 967 00:48:24,430 --> 00:48:22,550 get the person who actually created this 968 00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:24,440 material and that package this material 969 00:48:29,170 --> 00:48:26,930 together right also I think it's quite 970 00:48:33,730 --> 00:48:29,180 possible that this letter is perfectly 971 00:48:36,670 --> 00:48:33,740 legitimate and that you know the 972 00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:36,680 individual who put it out there and 973 00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:39,050 distributed it to a couple of different 974 00:48:43,780 --> 00:48:41,210 researchers may well have gotten this 975 00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:43,790 and that may well have gotten the the 976 00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:45,650 other documents the autopsy and the 977 00:48:50,530 --> 00:48:47,810 Wilson documents separately we just 978 00:48:53,170 --> 00:48:50,540 don't know but when you look at the the 979 00:48:55,090 --> 00:48:53,180 cash in its entirety I mean even this 980 00:48:57,040 --> 00:48:55,100 you know even this Mitchell letter 981 00:48:59,800 --> 00:48:57,050 I wouldn't say is a hundred percent but 982 00:49:02,109 --> 00:48:59,810 there's there's no real wild information 983 00:49:04,359 --> 00:49:02,119 in there nothing too extraordinary so I 984 00:49:07,599 --> 00:49:04,369 wouldn't question this one too hard but 985 00:49:09,220 --> 00:49:07,609 again just be just even if the and I 986 00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:09,230 don't think that's proven either even if 987 00:49:12,910 --> 00:49:11,450 the Wilson document did pass through 988 00:49:15,630 --> 00:49:12,920 Edgar Mitchell's hands doesn't 989 00:49:17,950 --> 00:49:15,640 necessarily make it legitimate or even 990 00:49:20,290 --> 00:49:17,960 it's nothing the fact that he had it 991 00:49:21,849 --> 00:49:20,300 doesn't mean anything if he in fact had 992 00:49:25,690 --> 00:49:21,859 it and again that has not been 993 00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:25,700 demonstrated so well okay so that 994 00:49:29,950 --> 00:49:27,410 they're working on so that's where 995 00:49:33,250 --> 00:49:29,960 they're at again they really haven't 996 00:49:35,470 --> 00:49:33,260 come up with much of anything what I did 997 00:49:36,940 --> 00:49:35,480 was I contacted somebody from ned's who 998 00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:36,950 had been a member of the organization 999 00:49:42,609 --> 00:49:41,090 since its inception and he had a few 1000 00:49:45,700 --> 00:49:42,619 things to say about that document that 1001 00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:45,710 you just talked about and he said I 1002 00:49:51,250 --> 00:49:47,930 recognize the documents basically they 1003 00:49:53,670 --> 00:49:51,260 were to announce Ned's si B meetings and 1004 00:49:57,250 --> 00:49:53,680 were individualized for each member 1005 00:50:01,480 --> 00:49:57,260 don't mean very much the reference to me 1006 00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:01,490 on page 2 had to do with investigation 1007 00:50:07,090 --> 00:50:04,490 of course oh and his background the 1008 00:50:10,050 --> 00:50:07,100 results are covered in my UFO book in my 1009 00:50:16,050 --> 00:50:10,060 chapter on him that's what he said 1010 00:50:17,700 --> 00:50:16,060 and he basically was also saying well he 1011 00:50:19,470 --> 00:50:17,710 said more but I'll leave it at that one 1012 00:50:24,420 --> 00:50:19,480 thing I would like to say though is this 1013 00:50:28,110 --> 00:50:24,430 I have yet to see evidence that the 1014 00:50:33,780 --> 00:50:28,120 alien autopsy memo and The Smoking Gun 1015 00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:33,790 doc these alleged documents ever came 1016 00:50:41,790 --> 00:50:37,450 out of the Edgar Mitchell estate or his 1017 00:50:43,830 --> 00:50:41,800 files for that matter is not even if 1018 00:50:47,910 --> 00:50:43,840 that does prove to be the case again it 1019 00:50:49,620 --> 00:50:47,920 doesn't make now let me finish it 1020 00:50:51,690 --> 00:50:49,630 doesn't make that Wilson doc legit 1021 00:50:54,150 --> 00:50:51,700 that's all now what what I'd like to say 1022 00:50:59,250 --> 00:50:54,160 about that also is let's pretend they 1023 00:51:03,150 --> 00:50:59,260 did that does not mean that they were 1024 00:51:05,970 --> 00:51:03,160 real what it does meet her what yeah 1025 00:51:10,050 --> 00:51:05,980 what it does mean to me is that somebody 1026 00:51:13,350 --> 00:51:10,060 had direct access to Edgar Mitchell's 1027 00:51:16,350 --> 00:51:13,360 files to be able to stitch together the 1028 00:51:19,740 --> 00:51:16,360 commander Miller letter that he 1029 00:51:23,370 --> 00:51:19,750 allegedly wrote to Erik Davis in the 1030 00:51:25,740 --> 00:51:23,380 smoking gun document now commander 1031 00:51:29,820 --> 00:51:25,750 Miller has already indicated to me when 1032 00:51:34,170 --> 00:51:29,830 I interviewed him and Frankie also spoke 1033 00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:34,180 to Frank as well separately that he 1034 00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:36,930 believes that letter is not only 1035 00:51:44,820 --> 00:51:40,690 stitched together in some parts but that 1036 00:51:48,510 --> 00:51:44,830 it is fake because he did not write that 1037 00:51:51,720 --> 00:51:48,520 letter meaning in its entirety he did 1038 00:51:53,340 --> 00:51:51,730 not write it and it's really important 1039 00:51:55,830 --> 00:51:53,350 that people understand that one thing 1040 00:51:58,500 --> 00:51:55,840 I've noticed in the UFO community going 1041 00:52:00,120 --> 00:51:58,510 on regarding these documents is once 1042 00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:00,130 somebody does research on these 1043 00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:03,610 documents and they get actual 1044 00:52:11,340 --> 00:52:08,290 information evidence or something that 1045 00:52:15,720 --> 00:52:11,350 might be close to proof regarding these 1046 00:52:18,300 --> 00:52:15,730 two sets of alleged documents and it 1047 00:52:21,300 --> 00:52:18,310 doesn't fit their belief system they 1048 00:52:23,830 --> 00:52:21,310 become extremely hateful and irate and 1049 00:52:27,490 --> 00:52:23,840 then they start to cherry-pick what 1050 00:52:29,650 --> 00:52:27,500 they believe hold on hold on then they 1051 00:52:33,250 --> 00:52:29,660 start to cherry-pick what they believe 1052 00:52:37,660 --> 00:52:33,260 to be correct and I'd like to tell them 1053 00:52:43,660 --> 00:52:37,670 this if you have not asked every single 1054 00:52:49,870 --> 00:52:43,670 person in the alien autopsy memo and The 1055 00:52:56,830 --> 00:52:49,880 Smoking Gun documents document whether 1056 00:53:00,810 --> 00:52:56,840 their part is true then there is no way 1057 00:53:04,060 --> 00:53:00,820 anybody can say that these documents are 1058 00:53:08,380 --> 00:53:04,070 solid or authentic as they stand now 1059 00:53:10,630 --> 00:53:08,390 it's just basic research 101 period yeah 1060 00:53:12,730 --> 00:53:10,640 pretty much well you know Stanton 1061 00:53:18,340 --> 00:53:12,740 Friedman that believed at least some of 1062 00:53:21,340 --> 00:53:18,350 the majestic 12 documents right um I 1063 00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:21,350 guess until he passed away back in May 1064 00:53:30,730 --> 00:53:28,840 it's gonna happen you know people are 1065 00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:30,740 going to believe certain aspects of the 1066 00:53:35,290 --> 00:53:32,810 UFO phenomena especially these docks and 1067 00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:35,300 there's really not a very long track 1068 00:53:39,910 --> 00:53:36,850 record of any kind of leaked documents 1069 00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:39,920 really barring any food really being 1070 00:53:43,540 --> 00:53:41,690 legitimate the only one that I can 1071 00:53:45,700 --> 00:53:43,550 honestly even think of was the the 1072 00:53:48,250 --> 00:53:45,710 Mellon dock that leaked last year when 1073 00:53:51,100 --> 00:53:48,260 apparently he left a page of this 1074 00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:51,110 website available and Twitter Jay got a 1075 00:53:56,830 --> 00:53:52,970 hold of it we talked about that and in 1076 00:53:59,350 --> 00:53:56,840 some and some you know in some detail 1077 00:54:01,840 --> 00:53:59,360 but that's that's about where it's at 1078 00:54:04,450 --> 00:54:01,850 now let's let's see the probe dock 1079 00:54:06,370 --> 00:54:04,460 people what like I said you know don't 1080 00:54:08,740 --> 00:54:06,380 misrepresent what we've done here you 1081 00:54:09,940 --> 00:54:08,750 know don't don't try to come off and say 1082 00:54:11,410 --> 00:54:09,950 yeah we don't know what we're talking 1083 00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:11,420 about yeah well yeah absolutely 1084 00:54:14,770 --> 00:54:13,490 I think we've demonstrated that we do 1085 00:54:16,030 --> 00:54:14,780 know at least a little bit about what 1086 00:54:19,090 --> 00:54:16,040 we're talking about we're raising some 1087 00:54:21,430 --> 00:54:19,100 serious legitimate questions and you 1088 00:54:21,940 --> 00:54:21,440 know here we go you know come up with 1089 00:54:24,370 --> 00:54:21,950 some evidence 1090 00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:24,380 so put Wilson in Vegas and get back to 1091 00:54:29,850 --> 00:54:26,810 me at that point but Wilson in Vegas can 1092 00:54:33,190 --> 00:54:29,860 you do that you can try are you trying 1093 00:54:35,950 --> 00:54:33,200 again when we had Melinda Leslie on the 1094 00:54:37,780 --> 00:54:35,960 other night have you looked at known 1095 00:54:40,180 --> 00:54:37,790 samples of Eric Davis is right again 1096 00:54:42,790 --> 00:54:40,190 look for similarities between that and 1097 00:54:44,410 --> 00:54:42,800 the notes have even tried to do that 1098 00:54:45,850 --> 00:54:44,420 again it wouldn't be proof but at least 1099 00:54:48,010 --> 00:54:45,860 it would be some evidence come up with 1100 00:54:50,170 --> 00:54:48,020 some evidence because besides the 1101 00:54:51,610 --> 00:54:50,180 documents themselves but the documents 1102 00:54:58,990 --> 00:54:51,620 are legitimate and you have not done 1103 00:55:02,470 --> 00:54:59,000 that so I want to go ahead and dress 1104 00:55:05,700 --> 00:55:02,480 somebody that has asked me question I 1105 00:55:09,550 --> 00:55:05,710 think oh yes you can hold me to that 1106 00:55:14,140 --> 00:55:09,560 regarding what commander Miller told me 1107 00:55:16,030 --> 00:55:14,150 and and no I have not actually changed 1108 00:55:18,130 --> 00:55:16,040 anything I have said regarding what he 1109 00:55:20,590 --> 00:55:18,140 has said I have been very general 1110 00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:20,600 regarding what he said because I cannot 1111 00:55:25,330 --> 00:55:23,450 give direct quotes without having my 1112 00:55:27,940 --> 00:55:25,340 transcript in front of me and I'm 1113 00:55:30,550 --> 00:55:27,950 waiting to do that because I have 1114 00:55:35,140 --> 00:55:30,560 already spoken to him again and I plan 1115 00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:35,150 on giving it that other transcript in 1116 00:55:40,420 --> 00:55:39,650 the same show so if you feel like you 1117 00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:40,430 can compare 1118 00:55:46,270 --> 00:55:44,330 everything I've said and parallel it one 1119 00:55:48,220 --> 00:55:46,280 right after the other and show me where 1120 00:55:50,290 --> 00:55:48,230 the differences are I would like to see 1121 00:55:52,900 --> 00:55:50,300 that because I've been very careful 1122 00:55:56,190 --> 00:55:52,910 regarding what I've said and I can tell 1123 00:56:01,450 --> 00:55:56,200 you that commander Miller did absolutely 1124 00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:01,460 say that the letter is fake he never 1125 00:56:08,740 --> 00:56:04,610 wrote it there may be parts that he 1126 00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:08,750 could have written the rest did not 1127 00:56:16,210 --> 00:56:13,210 write but the letter in its entirety was 1128 00:56:19,660 --> 00:56:16,220 fake he did not write it from beginning 1129 00:56:23,350 --> 00:56:19,670 to end and I did talk to him for a 1130 00:56:25,810 --> 00:56:23,360 second time about that and we went over 1131 00:56:29,890 --> 00:56:25,820 it not only again but we went over other 1132 00:56:32,250 --> 00:56:29,900 topics that cover different subjects 1133 00:56:35,890 --> 00:56:32,260 that Frank and I have not talked about 1134 00:56:37,180 --> 00:56:35,900 so what you're saying is absolutely 1135 00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:37,190 incorrect and I'm just letting that 1136 00:56:42,420 --> 00:56:39,410 individual know that now again I'd be 1137 00:56:45,730 --> 00:56:42,430 I'd be more than happy to see a 1138 00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:45,740 transcript of what I've said a few times 1139 00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:48,530 and I'd like to read the differences 1140 00:56:52,810 --> 00:56:50,690 between it because I have not changed 1141 00:56:56,890 --> 00:56:52,820 what I've said at all it remains the 1142 00:56:58,360 --> 00:56:56,900 same regarding commander Miller let's 1143 00:57:00,340 --> 00:56:58,370 wrap this up I think an hour is pretty 1144 00:57:03,820 --> 00:57:00,350 good it's a pretty good solid update and 1145 00:57:05,860 --> 00:57:03,830 let me say in summation that the leak of 1146 00:57:08,290 --> 00:57:05,870 the century is not this Wilson document 1147 00:57:11,140 --> 00:57:08,300 the leak is of the century is the one I 1148 00:57:13,180 --> 00:57:11,150 took in my pants when I listen to the 1149 00:57:16,170 --> 00:57:13,190 code doc people try to claim that this 1150 00:57:21,100 --> 00:57:16,180 stuff is legit from laughing so hard 1151 00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:21,110 look hey can we yeah we're gonna have to 1152 00:57:25,900 --> 00:57:23,210 go and get a transcript of that a one 1153 00:57:28,140 --> 00:57:25,910 thing I wanted to say here is the motive 1154 00:57:33,690 --> 00:57:28,150 appears to be dissin formation here as 1155 00:57:37,590 --> 00:57:33,700 well as discrediting lots of people now 1156 00:57:41,530 --> 00:57:37,600 one thing I'd like to mention is this 1157 00:57:44,770 --> 00:57:41,540 set of documents the alien autopsy memo 1158 00:57:50,110 --> 00:57:44,780 and also The Smoking Gun memo were 1159 00:57:53,710 --> 00:57:50,120 designed as a game the game basically is 1160 00:57:58,330 --> 00:57:53,720 this it was made to break 1161 00:58:01,420 --> 00:57:58,340 friendships to cause controversy to 1162 00:58:05,260 --> 00:58:01,430 create discussion to create 1163 00:58:09,010 --> 00:58:05,270 disinformation to cause people to 1164 00:58:10,420 --> 00:58:09,020 blindly believe something in other words 1165 00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:10,430 the documents would actually make 1166 00:58:17,190 --> 00:58:12,770 anybody do anything it's a people that 1167 00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:17,200 do it but if it can somehow promote that 1168 00:58:23,650 --> 00:58:20,810 possibility that is part of the design 1169 00:58:25,990 --> 00:58:23,660 of the game so basically all we're 1170 00:58:29,110 --> 00:58:26,000 looking at here is a game that was 1171 00:58:31,420 --> 00:58:29,120 designed to have circular discussions so 1172 00:58:34,060 --> 00:58:31,430 we can get petty about things like oh 1173 00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:34,070 well you're not providing the exact 1174 00:58:39,220 --> 00:58:36,530 quotes from somebody oh well you're not 1175 00:58:41,860 --> 00:58:39,230 providing this oh well you're just 1176 00:58:44,860 --> 00:58:41,870 saying that basically the narrative 1177 00:58:48,540 --> 00:58:44,870 going on in the UFO community is a bunch 1178 00:58:50,980 --> 00:58:48,550 of petty stuff that doesn't matter 1179 00:58:53,500 --> 00:58:50,990 they're providing at the same time 1180 00:58:55,210 --> 00:58:53,510 providing it provides nothing another 1181 00:59:00,430 --> 00:58:55,220 thing I've noticed that this document 1182 00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:00,440 does is it causes people to think that 1183 00:59:04,690 --> 00:59:02,930 there's something big afoot like there's 1184 00:59:07,030 --> 00:59:04,700 something great that's going to happen 1185 00:59:11,080 --> 00:59:07,040 that we this is a form of disclosure 1186 00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:11,090 that you know it's basically something 1187 00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:14,290 that we all need to look at as the 1188 00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:19,490 documents of the century Frank have you 1189 00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:23,450 seen any part of this that smacks of 1190 00:59:31,780 --> 00:59:27,290 being documents of the century to you no 1191 00:59:33,670 --> 00:59:31,790 no now disinfo of the century said the 1192 00:59:35,170 --> 00:59:33,680 mj-12 dock site that came out in the 1193 00:59:37,180 --> 00:59:35,180 last they came out in the last century 1194 00:59:41,500 --> 00:59:37,190 so yeah this is the disinfo of the 1195 00:59:43,870 --> 00:59:41,510 century the easiest course of action if 1196 00:59:46,870 --> 00:59:43,880 there were to be one is to blatantly 1197 00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:46,880 dismiss them as bogus which is what they 1198 00:59:53,350 --> 00:59:50,450 have proven to be so far and move on you 1199 00:59:54,370 --> 00:59:53,360 know why because there's real news going 1200 00:59:57,970 --> 00:59:54,380 on out there 1201 01:00:02,130 --> 00:59:57,980 or once UFOs you ApS whatever you want 1202 01:00:06,470 --> 01:00:02,140 to call them are now mainstream news 1203 01:00:09,140 --> 01:00:06,480 that's more important the logical motive 1204 01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:09,150 what what is basically what do you think 1205 01:00:14,450 --> 01:00:12,930 is is a logical motive in this series of 1206 01:00:15,829 --> 01:00:14,460 documents here what do you think they're 1207 01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:15,839 designed to be Frank what is your 1208 01:00:21,460 --> 01:00:19,530 opinion on distraction right but see 1209 01:00:25,190 --> 01:00:21,470 that's I'm glad you said that a 1210 01:00:27,290 --> 01:00:25,200 distraction from what well yeah I mean 1211 01:00:30,290 --> 01:00:27,300 let's face it we really probably should 1212 01:00:32,540 --> 01:00:30,300 be talking about episode 4 of the 1213 01:00:34,430 --> 01:00:32,550 unidentified show which came on Friday 1214 01:00:35,839 --> 01:00:34,440 night it was fantastic we probably 1215 01:00:39,890 --> 01:00:35,849 should be talking about that to tell you 1216 01:00:42,260 --> 01:00:39,900 the truth yes on July 7th we are going 1217 01:00:44,690 --> 01:00:42,270 to have a mega panel of really well 1218 01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:44,700 known guests that everybody loves to be 1219 01:00:54,140 --> 01:00:48,810 able to talk about all the episodes oh 1220 01:00:57,620 --> 01:00:54,150 the last one is on July 5th and July 7th 1221 01:01:00,650 --> 01:00:57,630 which is a Sunday at noon we have many 1222 01:01:03,620 --> 01:01:00,660 people from all over the world who are 1223 01:01:05,720 --> 01:01:03,630 really well known in the world of UFO G 1224 01:01:08,839 --> 01:01:05,730 who are dying to talk about these 1225 01:01:11,329 --> 01:01:08,849 wonderful shows to say whether they like 1226 01:01:13,069 --> 01:01:11,339 them or they don't we have two movie 1227 01:01:16,099 --> 01:01:13,079 directors who are going to be on that 1228 01:01:17,599 --> 01:01:16,109 show and they're hilarious and they just 1229 01:01:19,940 --> 01:01:17,609 you know what I think one of them 1230 01:01:22,430 --> 01:01:19,950 actually doesn't like the show the shows 1231 01:01:25,130 --> 01:01:22,440 at all and so we we don't we don't want 1232 01:01:27,140 --> 01:01:25,140 people who like the shows on on that day 1233 01:01:28,730 --> 01:01:27,150 we want people who do and do not like 1234 01:01:30,859 --> 01:01:28,740 them it's gonna be a really lively yes 1235 01:01:34,730 --> 01:01:30,869 guys absolutely and one last thing about 1236 01:01:36,589 --> 01:01:34,740 the disinformation now this researcher 1237 01:01:38,420 --> 01:01:36,599 who's been that trumpeting these doc 1238 01:01:40,040 --> 01:01:38,430 Cesare the leak of the century and so on 1239 01:01:41,839 --> 01:01:40,050 and so forth it's called a lot of 1240 01:01:44,120 --> 01:01:41,849 different things disinformation during 1241 01:01:46,460 --> 01:01:44,130 the last year and change he called the 1242 01:01:49,309 --> 01:01:46,470 use of the word metamaterials 1243 01:01:51,109 --> 01:01:49,319 disinformation well all it was is some 1244 01:01:52,790 --> 01:01:51,119 very odd materials and they were 1245 01:01:55,069 --> 01:01:52,800 struggling to find the right name for it 1246 01:01:56,480 --> 01:01:55,079 and they latched on to many materials 1247 01:01:59,030 --> 01:01:56,490 and that's the name that sort of stuck 1248 01:02:01,370 --> 01:01:59,040 and Gary Nolan sort of updated that and 1249 01:02:03,319 --> 01:02:01,380 said that well maybe ultra materials is 1250 01:02:05,270 --> 01:02:03,329 better so well they're struggling to 1251 01:02:07,370 --> 01:02:05,280 find a name for these different alloys 1252 01:02:08,900 --> 01:02:07,380 these different materials that they 1253 01:02:10,430 --> 01:02:08,910 can't figure out where their remaining 1254 01:02:13,099 --> 01:02:10,440 factors okay so that's not 1255 01:02:15,740 --> 01:02:13,109 disinformation that's a I was struggling 1256 01:02:17,450 --> 01:02:15,750 with language struggling to find the 1257 01:02:19,970 --> 01:02:17,460 right words to describe something and 1258 01:02:22,550 --> 01:02:19,980 he's also claimed that the use of 1259 01:02:25,880 --> 01:02:22,560 you outward or the acronym UAP is 1260 01:02:27,160 --> 01:02:25,890 compared to UFO is also disinformation 1261 01:02:31,190 --> 01:02:27,170 but now here's some disinformation 1262 01:02:32,390 --> 01:02:31,200 staring him right in the face and it was 1263 01:02:37,460 --> 01:02:32,400 a snake it would have been it 1264 01:02:41,510 --> 01:02:37,470 so there you go you know what I find so 1265 01:02:44,349 --> 01:02:41,520 funny is also it's interesting a long 1266 01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:44,359 time ago I actually had the unfortunate 1267 01:02:50,840 --> 01:02:47,970 situation occur of a friend of mine who 1268 01:02:52,970 --> 01:02:50,850 fell for a group of people that were 1269 01:02:57,349 --> 01:02:52,980 very cult-like regarding their behavior 1270 01:02:59,840 --> 01:02:57,359 about religion and it was very sad to 1271 01:03:02,180 --> 01:02:59,850 see because up oh by the way Frank can 1272 01:03:05,630 --> 01:03:02,190 you just look in the chat there thank 1273 01:03:08,599 --> 01:03:05,640 you but yeah was gonna see is this 1274 01:03:11,840 --> 01:03:08,609 person got caught up in this group and 1275 01:03:14,450 --> 01:03:11,850 they literally gave all of their 1276 01:03:18,109 --> 01:03:14,460 possessions away they became programmed 1277 01:03:20,510 --> 01:03:18,119 and they just became mesmerized by the 1278 01:03:23,720 --> 01:03:20,520 folks running the group and they 1279 01:03:27,500 --> 01:03:23,730 basically did everything just about 1280 01:03:29,480 --> 01:03:27,510 those what the leaders asked that person 1281 01:03:32,660 --> 01:03:29,490 to do and this group is known worldwide 1282 01:03:34,310 --> 01:03:32,670 and my understanding my friend is not 1283 01:03:38,750 --> 01:03:34,320 involved with that organization anymore 1284 01:03:41,180 --> 01:03:38,760 but see that's the thing these documents 1285 01:03:45,140 --> 01:03:41,190 are bringing that kind of reaction out 1286 01:03:48,170 --> 01:03:45,150 of people or after hold on after we have 1287 01:03:51,470 --> 01:03:48,180 done all of our due diligence and we've 1288 01:03:54,470 --> 01:03:51,480 contacted people we contacted to people 1289 01:03:58,070 --> 01:03:54,480 in these docs let's make this clear to 1290 01:04:00,109 --> 01:03:58,080 people one in the smoking gun dock which 1291 01:04:02,890 --> 01:04:00,119 is commander Miller we've also contacted 1292 01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:02,900 a second individual who has been 1293 01:04:09,310 --> 01:04:05,490 allegedly involved in the smoking gun 1294 01:04:12,080 --> 01:04:09,320 dock and the alien autopsy memo and 1295 01:04:15,320 --> 01:04:12,090 wanted to make it clear that these 1296 01:04:17,870 --> 01:04:15,330 people have nothing to do with these 1297 01:04:21,560 --> 01:04:17,880 docs both have said that these are fake 1298 01:04:23,210 --> 01:04:21,570 docks and they have no idea anything 1299 01:04:25,490 --> 01:04:23,220 about them that they're that they just 1300 01:04:27,109 --> 01:04:25,500 they don't understand them they make no 1301 01:04:28,120 --> 01:04:27,119 sense of them they've never even seen 1302 01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:28,130 them before 1303 01:04:36,750 --> 01:04:30,970 and so we're ongoing with 1304 01:04:39,510 --> 01:04:36,760 is people do not have the right to say 1305 01:04:42,360 --> 01:04:39,520 to others you must believe these docks 1306 01:04:44,700 --> 01:04:42,370 these docks are real why because we just 1307 01:04:47,910 --> 01:04:44,710 did Frank and I just did our research to 1308 01:04:50,460 --> 01:04:47,920 prove that two people are saying they 1309 01:04:53,040 --> 01:04:50,470 are not a part of these docks but you 1310 01:04:59,580 --> 01:04:53,050 know what I'm finding that's not good 1311 01:05:01,350 --> 01:04:59,590 enough for these people well that is 1312 01:05:04,200 --> 01:05:01,360 part of the point the rest of the point 1313 01:05:07,310 --> 01:05:04,210 is there was a person we just 1314 01:05:11,070 --> 01:05:07,320 interviewed on our show who was very uh 1315 01:05:14,070 --> 01:05:11,080 colorful and lively about how she had to 1316 01:05:15,750 --> 01:05:14,080 defend her topic and she and I had a 1317 01:05:18,920 --> 01:05:15,760 circular discussion which I found very 1318 01:05:22,500 --> 01:05:18,930 interesting and that was she said 1319 01:05:24,330 --> 01:05:22,510 because these people she's talking about 1320 01:05:26,820 --> 01:05:24,340 certain people involved allegedly 1321 01:05:30,030 --> 01:05:26,830 involved in these stocks were under a 1322 01:05:32,730 --> 01:05:30,040 certain secret top secret programs and 1323 01:05:35,190 --> 01:05:32,740 involved in classified programs that 1324 01:05:37,170 --> 01:05:35,200 they had to basically it my 1325 01:05:41,490 --> 01:05:37,180 understanding my perception what she 1326 01:05:43,680 --> 01:05:41,500 said is lie basically lie I guess in 1327 01:05:45,840 --> 01:05:43,690 order to say that they were not a part 1328 01:05:48,030 --> 01:05:45,850 of it when they really were I'm gonna 1329 01:05:49,470 --> 01:05:48,040 have to ask her about that okay and now 1330 01:05:52,200 --> 01:05:49,480 let me jump in here and make a point 1331 01:05:53,550 --> 01:05:52,210 that's that's why if you know you're 1332 01:05:55,650 --> 01:05:53,560 dealing with somebody in that kind of a 1333 01:05:57,660 --> 01:05:55,660 position that's why you asked them the 1334 01:05:59,820 --> 01:05:57,670 type of questions where you know they 1335 01:06:00,990 --> 01:05:59,830 can answer that's why I asked commander 1336 01:06:03,960 --> 01:06:01,000 Miller what did he think about the 1337 01:06:05,550 --> 01:06:03,970 Socorro case you know what I'm saying he 1338 01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:05,560 can answer a question like that it says 1339 01:06:09,600 --> 01:06:07,210 somebody's somebody who's interested in 1340 01:06:11,670 --> 01:06:09,610 UFOs and now that's his opinion there's 1341 01:06:14,790 --> 01:06:11,680 no way MDA or security clearance 1342 01:06:16,170 --> 01:06:14,800 involved in that and when he said what 1343 01:06:19,470 --> 01:06:16,180 is it you know can you tell me a little 1344 01:06:22,560 --> 01:06:19,480 bit about it that was a you know that 1345 01:06:24,390 --> 01:06:22,570 was that's what convinced me that that 1346 01:06:25,710 --> 01:06:24,400 Wilson document was fake and and 1347 01:06:28,980 --> 01:06:25,720 obviously everything that we found 1348 01:06:30,270 --> 01:06:28,990 following up with it is in fact pointing 1349 01:06:31,950 --> 01:06:30,280 in that direction as far as I'm 1350 01:06:34,620 --> 01:06:31,960 concerned so yeah let that let's kind of 1351 01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:34,630 wrap this up that way I wanted to bring 1352 01:06:39,240 --> 01:06:37,450 one last thing up and datas this person 1353 01:06:40,800 --> 01:06:39,250 we just interviewed she said something 1354 01:06:43,260 --> 01:06:40,810 very interesting and I would like to 1355 01:06:44,150 --> 01:06:43,270 mention it was well you can say right 1356 01:06:46,760 --> 01:06:44,160 she 1357 01:06:50,480 --> 01:06:46,770 said that I believe somebody that would 1358 01:06:52,579 --> 01:06:50,490 be in a situation maybe of classified 1359 01:06:55,880 --> 01:06:52,589 nature that kind of professional 1360 01:06:57,650 --> 01:06:55,890 background told her if anything in this 1361 01:06:59,450 --> 01:06:57,660 is how they said it if anything in the 1362 01:07:01,970 --> 01:06:59,460 document even one sentence refers to 1363 01:07:05,270 --> 01:07:01,980 something classified we cannot comment 1364 01:07:07,599 --> 01:07:05,280 in any way on the whole entire document 1365 01:07:11,089 --> 01:07:07,609 if there's one sentence there we cannot 1366 01:07:13,250 --> 01:07:11,099 we can't comment on it and again that's 1367 01:07:15,859 --> 01:07:13,260 why when you're a good researcher you 1368 01:07:18,230 --> 01:07:15,869 don't ask them about the document you 1369 01:07:20,180 --> 01:07:18,240 ask them you know was Admiral Wilson in 1370 01:07:21,170 --> 01:07:20,190 Vegas on such-and-such a date you know 1371 01:07:23,870 --> 01:07:21,180 what I'm saying you do research about 1372 01:07:25,670 --> 01:07:23,880 that you ask them about hey do you know 1373 01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:25,680 anything about this case you ask these 1374 01:07:29,779 --> 01:07:28,410 folks about things that they can answer 1375 01:07:31,549 --> 01:07:29,789 and that you know that they can answer 1376 01:07:33,559 --> 01:07:31,559 and that you would expect an honest 1377 01:07:35,359 --> 01:07:33,569 answer I have no reason to think that we 1378 01:07:38,329 --> 01:07:35,369 haven't gotten honest answers on those 1379 01:07:40,910 --> 01:07:38,339 questions and I also ask what good 1380 01:07:43,270 --> 01:07:40,920 researchers do right going along what 1381 01:07:45,620 --> 01:07:43,280 she said regarding the no comment part 1382 01:07:47,690 --> 01:07:45,630 again I want to read that because it's 1383 01:07:51,769 --> 01:07:47,700 important regarding what she said it's 1384 01:07:53,839 --> 01:07:51,779 very important she said if anything in 1385 01:07:55,849 --> 01:07:53,849 the document even one sentence refers to 1386 01:07:58,490 --> 01:07:55,859 something classified we cannot comment 1387 01:08:00,440 --> 01:07:58,500 in any way on the whole entire document 1388 01:08:03,529 --> 01:08:00,450 if there's one sentence error we can't 1389 01:08:06,079 --> 01:08:03,539 comment on it and then I brought this to 1390 01:08:09,160 --> 01:08:06,089 our attention evidently dr. Mitchell had 1391 01:08:11,960 --> 01:08:09,170 been interviewed by somebody and he said 1392 01:08:13,370 --> 01:08:11,970 now this won't make sense because in the 1393 01:08:15,019 --> 01:08:13,380 context of it he's referring to 1394 01:08:16,130 --> 01:08:15,029 something else so I'll just start 1395 01:08:17,990 --> 01:08:16,140 reading what he said but you'll 1396 01:08:20,630 --> 01:08:18,000 understand the end of it how it's 1397 01:08:23,180 --> 01:08:20,640 related the UFO program that the and 1398 01:08:25,130 --> 01:08:23,190 this is dr. Mitchell talking the UFO 1399 01:08:27,019 --> 01:08:25,140 program that the Admiral sought would be 1400 01:08:28,849 --> 01:08:27,029 in this category thus by law he would be 1401 01:08:32,660 --> 01:08:28,859 required to deny the existence of such a 1402 01:08:33,829 --> 01:08:32,670 program for a car secrets ASAP even a no 1403 01:08:38,269 --> 01:08:33,839 comment would be a breach of security 1404 01:08:41,329 --> 01:08:38,279 now my cut my points are these there are 1405 01:08:48,229 --> 01:08:41,339 two people to my knowledge that have 1406 01:08:50,630 --> 01:08:48,239 made no common comments about these well 1407 01:08:53,720 --> 01:08:50,640 at least one of the documents meaning 1408 01:08:57,430 --> 01:08:53,730 the alien autopsy document going along 1409 01:09:00,610 --> 01:08:57,440 this kind of logic or thought process 1410 01:09:03,700 --> 01:09:00,620 that Melinda Leslie said and allegedly 1411 01:09:06,220 --> 01:09:03,710 dr. Mitchell said here even a no comment 1412 01:09:09,340 --> 01:09:06,230 would be a breach of security did these 1413 01:09:12,160 --> 01:09:09,350 two people not then just make create a 1414 01:09:13,959 --> 01:09:12,170 breach of security by making no comment 1415 01:09:16,689 --> 01:09:13,969 do you see how that's a circular 1416 01:09:18,789 --> 01:09:16,699 discussion right there the other thing I 1417 01:09:22,269 --> 01:09:18,799 wanted to mention is I told her 1418 01:09:26,289 --> 01:09:22,279 repeatedly that it is not fair to say 1419 01:09:28,720 --> 01:09:26,299 that John Alexander has or anybody for 1420 01:09:32,260 --> 01:09:28,730 that matter especially if they have not 1421 01:09:35,650 --> 01:09:32,270 been contacted to say that they have had 1422 01:09:39,939 --> 01:09:35,660 a part to play in either one of these 1423 01:09:44,229 --> 01:09:39,949 documents because she does not have the 1424 01:09:46,570 --> 01:09:44,239 right to represent them as she's not 1425 01:09:49,240 --> 01:09:46,580 their official spokesperson for one and 1426 01:09:53,050 --> 01:09:49,250 they have the right to defend themselves 1427 01:09:55,030 --> 01:09:53,060 so a week none of us have the right to 1428 01:09:57,610 --> 01:09:55,040 actually say that these people who are 1429 01:09:59,590 --> 01:09:57,620 allegedly involved in these documents 1430 01:10:01,630 --> 01:09:59,600 that they're involved when they are 1431 01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:01,640 saying they are not and even those who 1432 01:10:06,010 --> 01:10:04,010 have not said anything they still need 1433 01:10:09,040 --> 01:10:06,020 to be protected in their own way it's 1434 01:10:11,860 --> 01:10:09,050 the moral and ethical thing to do okay 1435 01:10:16,120 --> 01:10:11,870 all right now can we go home now yep I'm 1436 01:10:20,160 --> 01:10:16,130 all ready to go okay okay now I yep said 1437 01:10:23,530 --> 01:10:20,170 why as far as I know so does deep there 1438 01:10:25,270 --> 01:10:23,540 there is one thing I want to mention you 1439 01:10:26,920 --> 01:10:25,280 just mentioned deep he's a really 1440 01:10:31,260 --> 01:10:26,930 wonderful person I've spoken to him 1441 01:10:33,760 --> 01:10:31,270 twice and he has had some really amazing 1442 01:10:35,260 --> 01:10:33,770 amazing stories that he wants to share 1443 01:10:39,700 --> 01:10:35,270 with folks and it's got to be a lot of 1444 01:10:42,340 --> 01:10:39,710 fun yeah you have we do have a lot to 1445 01:10:44,910 --> 01:10:42,350 talk about with him and um now I did 1446 01:10:47,770 --> 01:10:44,920 have to get your opinion on one thing 1447 01:10:49,930 --> 01:10:47,780 Frank there is somebody in the chat that 1448 01:10:52,450 --> 01:10:49,940 is saying what about Jeremy corbels 1449 01:10:55,420 --> 01:10:52,460 saying he is in a position to know the 1450 01:10:57,729 --> 01:10:55,430 ewd Wilson dock is real okay you know 1451 01:11:00,729 --> 01:10:57,739 what I have to tell you I'll tell you 1452 01:11:03,120 --> 01:11:00,739 what I have to say and that is this we 1453 01:11:06,400 --> 01:11:03,130 just did our research 1454 01:11:09,430 --> 01:11:06,410 why don't you do yours instead of just 1455 01:11:10,750 --> 01:11:09,440 believing people blindly it's important 1456 01:11:13,120 --> 01:11:10,760 to do that 1457 01:11:15,700 --> 01:11:13,130 the research that we came up with is 1458 01:11:18,010 --> 01:11:15,710 that two people involved in two 1459 01:11:21,040 --> 01:11:18,020 different documents are plainly stating 1460 01:11:23,740 --> 01:11:21,050 that these documents are fake they have 1461 01:11:26,740 --> 01:11:23,750 not played any part in it and I can 1462 01:11:28,540 --> 01:11:26,750 guarantee you that Jeremy Korbel did not 1463 01:11:33,250 --> 01:11:28,550 contact either one of them 1464 01:11:37,680 --> 01:11:33,260 yeah and just just to address that you 1465 01:11:39,700 --> 01:11:37,690 know what the the products folks aren't 1466 01:11:41,410 --> 01:11:39,710 doing anything more really than 1467 01:11:43,240 --> 01:11:41,420 expressing an opinion that's really the 1468 01:11:45,190 --> 01:11:43,250 bottom line they're not digging they're 1469 01:11:45,970 --> 01:11:45,200 not digging they're digging into the 1470 01:11:47,710 --> 01:11:45,980 Providence 1471 01:11:49,150 --> 01:11:47,720 so basically the they're working from 1472 01:11:52,330 --> 01:11:49,160 you know where the docks are today 1473 01:11:54,670 --> 01:11:52,340 backwards and they found that the roads 1474 01:11:56,260 --> 01:11:54,680 may or may not lead to Edgar Mitchell 1475 01:11:58,330 --> 01:11:56,270 and even if they do it doesn't matter 1476 01:12:00,400 --> 01:11:58,340 they're not looking at the docks 1477 01:12:02,140 --> 01:12:00,410 themselves I chant that look that let's 1478 01:12:04,600 --> 01:12:02,150 say let's wrap this up it's 11 o'clock 1479 01:12:07,180 --> 01:12:04,610 here in the East so well we'll talk 1480 01:12:09,130 --> 01:12:07,190 again before we interview deep on